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re: Quote from the losing QB
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:07 pm to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:07 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:oh ok, the Saints Board would be railling against Brees just like they are against Cam.
100% certainty my arse
Yea, that's it, no doubt about it, right?
Hilarious.
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Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:15 pm to shel311
The "what if" game is a weak argument. You can't use that and then accuse someone of using ploys.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:22 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:Only because you know it's how Saints fans would react do you think it's a weak argument.
The "what if" game is a weak argument
You act like I'm saying something outrageous when it's pretty much the most likely thing you could imagine. Saints fans would support Brees more than Cam, not exactly a bold take by me.
But I get it, every player and team will always think they're better, but heavens no, please don't say it, that's an outrage...unless you won a title, then you can say it and it's tooootttallllllly different.
Hell, multiple replies have come in saying it's ok for Kobe to say these kinds of things, but it's a crazy ploy for me to think Saints fans would be ok with Brees doing it?
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:38 pm to shel311
quote:
Only because you know it's how Saints fans would react do you think it's a weak argument.
It's a weak argument because it's a textbook appeal to probability fallacy.
quote:
You act like I'm saying something outrageous when it's pretty much the most likely thing you could imagine
No, I didn't. I'm saying you're being hypocritical by accusing someone of using a ploy when you're arguments are fallacious.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:47 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:How so?
it's a textbook appeal to probability fallacy.
There is no error in my logic, hence it's not a fallacy.
My logic is that if Brees said the same thing he wouldn't get the same reaction as Cam does from this board. Don't give me the fallacy stuff, do you agree with that, yes or no? I doubt you'll answer though.
If you agree, then you trap yourself in the fallacy insinuation. If you disagree...well...prayers sent.
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:52 pm to shel311
quote:
An appeal to probability (or appeal to possibility) is the logical fallacy of taking something for granted because it would probably be the case (or might possibly be the case).[1] Inductive arguments lack deductive validity and must therefore be asserted or denied in the premises.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:52 pm to shel311
quote:
My logic is that if Brees said the same thing
He didn't.
Thus the fallacy.
You lose. Cam lost. Get over it.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:56 pm to Patrick O Rly
It fits none of these criteria, not one.
Not deceptive, not misleading, not a false notion, not an unsound argument, not false in nature, and so on and so forth...
My argument is that Cam is treated differently and more negatively than Drew Brees on a Saints Talk message board. You're trying to tell me that is poor reasoning? Ok, we'll agree to disagree, i think the reasoning couldn't possibly be more accurate, logical, and meaningful pertaining to my take on this situation, to be honest.
Not deceptive, not misleading, not a false notion, not an unsound argument, not false in nature, and so on and so forth...
quote:
noun, plural fal·la·cies.
1. a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc.: That the world is flat was at one time a popular fallacy.
2. a misleading or unsound argument.
3. deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.
4. Logic. any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.
5. Obsolete , deception.
My argument is that Cam is treated differently and more negatively than Drew Brees on a Saints Talk message board. You're trying to tell me that is poor reasoning? Ok, we'll agree to disagree, i think the reasoning couldn't possibly be more accurate, logical, and meaningful pertaining to my take on this situation, to be honest.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 12:57 pm to liquid rabbit
quote:Not sure you understand the whole fallacy thing if that's your take.
He didn't.
Thus the fallacy
I've been using the term logic for a few pages now, that seems to be getting lost in this entire little fallacy talk stuff.
No one wants to address the flaw in my logic, where is it? Stop with the "brees didn't say it", that makes no sense in this discussion.
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:02 pm to shel311
Wait, what is all this about anyway?
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:03 pm to shel311
I see it's pointless arguing with you since you don't even accept the fact that there's a substantial difference between Brees & Newton in how they speak publicly.
So I rest my case and let the OP speak on its own merits.
So I rest my case and let the OP speak on its own merits.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:03 pm to JPLIII
quote:I don't even know any more.
Wait, what is all this about anyway?
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:05 pm to liquid rabbit
quote:I've never once said that or anything close to it, so it sounds like you're the one it's pointless to argue with if you want to make up thoughts and assign them to me.
since you don't even accept the fact that there's a substantial difference between Brees & Newton in how they speak publicly
quote:Rest your case on a completely made up statement? Yikes
So I rest my case
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:09 pm to shel311
quote:
I've been using the term logic for a few pages now, that seems to be getting lost in this entire little fallacy talk stuff.
The flaw in your logic is you're taking a probability and asserting it as a definite outcome in your given scenario.
It's like that video they made of Obama voters who didn't know who had no clue who Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi was, and to deflect, people said "And I could make that same video with Tea Party voters," but there is no video. It didn't happen.
You're doing the same exercise.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:20 pm to Patrick O Rly
quote:I can ask you again, but I know that's pointless because you won't answer and if you did, your honest answer would give the argument away.
The flaw in your logic is you're taking a probability and asserting it as a definite outcome in your given scenario
This post was edited on 12/10/13 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:24 pm to shel311
Whether I agree with your prediction or not doesn't make your assertion any less fallacious.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:31 pm to shel311
quote:
the flaw in my logic
none really, but it is just an opinion made on assumptions
this is cam being a sore loser, or best case not having the emotional intelligence to convey what he wants to communicate and sounding like a sore loser...also the timing is pretty bad. If he said this a few days later or leading up to round 2, doesn't come off as bad. He said this directly after a very convincing arse beating. He's dancing around, doing the plane, egging on fights and celebrating every thing when he is winning, and then this when he loses. It comes off bad, no?
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:31 pm to Patrick O Rly
I give up on the ignoring of the reason and logic portion of this fallacy debate. Done with it.
You've moved this so far away from the topic we were discussing, I'm not even sure what you disagree with me on, relating to the actual topic.
You've moved this so far away from the topic we were discussing, I'm not even sure what you disagree with me on, relating to the actual topic.
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:34 pm to DelU249
quote:I say it makes him a dude who isn't lying while other guys are lying in this spot.
this is cam being a sore loser
quote:To be fair, there are no stats or anything we can point to in this discussion, so we're all throwing out opinions and assumptions.
none really, but it is just an opinion made on assumptions
Posted on 12/10/13 at 1:35 pm to shel311
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