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PFF's 10 Most Overrated Prospects

Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:20 pm
Posted by tdevil1
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:20 pm
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1. Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State

While most left the combine in awe of Waynes' speed, the discussion among PFF analysts centered on the fact that his 20-yard shuttle (4.39 seconds) was slower than his 40 time (4.31), a rare feat we couldn't recall seeing. That poor change-of-direction ability was evident on tape, and is a problem at a position where change of direction is vital.

Moreover, for someone who possessed the recovery speed to not have to worry about getting beat deep, Waynes was fairly average breaking on intermediate routes and had only three pass breakups on 59 targets. His mark for yards per coverage snap allowed was just about average, at 1.04, but he was exposed against the most talented passing team the Spartans faced all year (Oregon). In that game in Week 2, he yielded 113 yards on seven targets, including a touchdown.


2. Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon

It seems as though many look at Armstead's measurables (6-foot-7, 292 pounds, 5.1-second 40-yard dash) and his position (3-4 defensive end) and can't foresee him becoming anything other than Calais Campbell. What has gotten overlooked for the most part, however, is that Campbell had as many sacks in his sophomore season of college (10.5) as Armstead had his entire Oregon career.

Defensive line is one of the positions where physical freaks can easily dominate in college with little to no technique. That is why it's concerning that Armstead produced well outside the upper echelon of defensive linemen. The Oregon defensive end graded out as our No. 20 interior lineman against Power 5 schools, and posted middling numbers in run-stop percentage (7.1) and pass-rushing productivity (6.0) for the season. Those are worrisome numbers for a potential top-15 pick.

3. Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa

This one comes with a caveat, as we think Scherff could possibly be a fantastic guard, it's just that if you plug him in at left tackle next season you'll be sorely disappointed. It's difficult to see the Outland Trophy winner ever being an effective pass protector on the edge. Scherff wasn't close to the top of our tackle rankings, even after facing a fairly weak slate of edge rushers in the Big Ten. The Iowa tackle's 96.2 pass-blocking efficiency was 62nd out of the 95 draft-eligible tackles.

People have fallen in love with Scherff's ability to plant a defender to the turf, but when asked to play in space on the edge, Scherff lacked the length and feet quickness to regularly engage defenders. His skill set translates much better to guard in the NFL, but even there he would be something of a question mark.

4. Bud Dupree, LB, Kentucky


AP Photo/Wade Payne
After one of the most impressive performances in the history of the combine and a productive senior season, it is easy to see why Dupree has become a consensus first-rounder among draft analysts. However, when we dug deeper into his stats and film, there were some red flags that popped up.

The most meaningful one is that only three of his 36 pressures came against tackles with positive pass-blocking grades for the season. While he posted an overall respectable pass-rushing productivity mark of 9.8, that number dropped to 7.1 against SEC competition. A third of those pressures against SEC competition came versus Missouri's right tackle, Taylor Chappell, who had the second-worst pass-blocking grade in the country.

It's also worth noting that despite being 6-4, 269 pounds, Dupree didn't generate a single pressure off of a bull rush last season. Those stats paint the picture of a player who feasted on weak competition and then put up impressive workout numbers, rather than a complete pass-rusher.

5. Devin Funchess, WR/TE, Michigan

Funchess is a tweener some project as a "move" tight end in the NFL. Our analysts saw a different story, as we thought he had neither the radical size advantage to outmuscle corners nor the quickness to consistently beat linebackers. To top it off, he showed very little promise as a run-blocker.

This means Funchess is likely limited to a "big slot" role like Marques Colston. However, playing the slot requires a certain level of consistency that Funchess simply doesn't possess yet, and he'll have to improve in that area. The 6-4, 232-pound receiver had an 8.8 percent drop rate (8.3 percent was the NCAA average) to go along with a handful of misses on attempted contested catches.
Posted by tdevil1
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:20 pm to
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6. Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State

Goldman has many of the traits you look for in a nose tackle at the NFL level. He holds up well versus double-teams and has the strength to control most one-on-one blocks. He was by no means special in that regard, however, and was fairly poor at shedding and making the stop himself. In fact, his 5.3 run-stop percentage was well below average for this class.

Run defense aside, if you are taking a nose tackle in the first round, he better provide some complementary pass-rushing ability, and Goldman did not last season. The Florida State defensive lineman finished with a 5.5 in pass-rushing productivity, a figure far less than half that of the leader among D-linemen, Stanford's Henry Anderson (12.1).

7. Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami


Phillip Dorsett stood out for his speed at the 2015 Senior Bowl. John David Mercer/USA TODAY Sports
Everyone loves speed at the receiver position because it is so hard to find, but consider the following: 38 receivers have run sub-4.4 40-yard dashes since the 2009 combine, and only six are now a top-two receiver on their respective teams. The main takeaway is that speed can help, but one needs to do so many other things well to be a complete receiver in the NFL.

With Dorsett, we didn't see much besides elite speed. He's undersized at 5-10, 185 pounds, and is still an unrefined route runner. Of his 67 targets last season, 40 came on deep routes (go, deep crosser, post and corner). He'll have to run a much more varied route tree at the next level. DeSean Jackson goes deep as often as anyone in the NFL, and even he was targeted on downfield routes only 37 percent of the time last season.

There's certainly a lot of potential here, but with all the other proven talent at receiver in this draft, taking Dorsett in the first round would be a substantial gamble.

8. Shaq Thompson, S/LB, Washington

People have been in love with Thompson's athleticism since he was a five-star recruit coming out of high school in Sacramento. However, all the athleticism in the world won't make up for poor instincts as a linebacker, and Thompson has yet to show he can make the necessary reads for the position. His 7.3 run-stop percentage was 41st among 58 draft-eligible starting inside linebackers, and he was an overall ineffective player against the run, outside of forcing and recovering fumbles.

Thompson's skill set translates better to safety, as he was smooth in coverage and has nickelback experience, but it's hard to feel comfortable picking a player early for a position you've never seen him play.

9. P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State

After watching all of Williams' plays this season, our analysts agreed that the most accurate description of him is "inconsistent." Inconsistency at cornerback in the NFL is synonymous with getting benched, as defensive coordinators won't put up with the types of highs and lows Williams experienced last season.

While the Florida State corner was aggressive and productive around the line of scrimmage, he gave up tons of ground on intermediate and deep routes when receivers got a hint of initial space. Williams actually graded out negatively in coverage, in no small part due to his silly habit of not wrapping up receivers after the catch. He missed 11 tackles in coverage last season, and his ratio of a miss on every 6.2 attempts was 79th out of 101 starters in the class.

10. Benardrick McKinney, LB, Mississippi State

McKinney is a fantastic athlete whose size (6-4, 246 pounds) and explosiveness (a 4.66 in the 40-yard dash, a 40.5-inch vertical leap) have him at or near the top of most inside linebacker rankings. The trouble is that all of our analysts who broke down his games agreed they wouldn't trust McKinney as anything more than a two-down linebacker. That still has value, but not early-round value.

McKinney's 0.81 yards per coverage snap was below the class average of 0.71, and he made a paltry five stops in coverage all season, 66th among inside linebackers (Eric Kendricks led with 28). His biggest problem was bringing down receivers in space, as he had only seven solo tackles in coverage, compared to five missed tackles.
Posted by PurpleDrank18
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:22 pm to
I agree with about half of those.
Posted by Laaz2750
Los Angeles
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:24 pm to
Wow, Scherff being at the top of that list is a surprise. Everyone else I've seen on these kinds of lists before.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:25 pm to
Lulz Dupree lulzing my arse off
Posted by PurpleDrank18
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2011
4508 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:26 pm to
Serious question, do you have, like, mental problems or something?
Posted by Chad504boy
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166135 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:27 pm to
U mad bro
Posted by PurpleDrank18
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:28 pm to
no. Just worried about a fellow poster.
Posted by PurpleDrank18
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2011
4508 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:35 pm to
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Wow, Scherff being at the top of that list is a surprise


In all fairness they did say he'd be overrated as an OT prospect, which I agree with.
Posted by ST3PH3N
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
466 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:44 pm to
Completely agree on armstead. But do not think McKinney is over-rated
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 8:48 pm to
Scherff doesn't belong on that list, but the rest is spot on
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:06 pm to
Whoops, wrong thread.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 9:13 pm
Posted by adono
River Ridge
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:10 pm to
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Completely agree on armstead. But do not think McKinney is over-rated



I think they're saying he's over rated if picked in the 1st. A lot folks on here have said the same thing about him not being a 3 down LB.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 9:22 pm to
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Wow, Scherff being at the top of that list is a surprise. Everyone else I've seen on these kinds of lists before.


Did you see what they said? They were spot-on in their evaluation.

If you put Scherff at LT, expect your QB to be paralyzed. If you can start him at OG and potentially move him to RT down the line, (or leave him at OG if he can't make the transition) you'll have a 10 year starter.
Posted by Broken Ear Glen
Baton Roog
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:55 am to
Yeah you gotta read what they said for the reasoning on Scherff. Agree with a lot of those though especially Waynes, Armstead and Dorsett.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 8:20 am to
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Agree with a lot of those though especially Waynes


Which is why I have been opposed to taking Waynes. I've read this type of assessment of him in a few places. From what I have gathered, he is a 2nd rd CB in any other draft. Since this one has poor CB talent and it is such a critical position, he is going to be drafted too high
Posted by Broken Ear Glen
Baton Roog
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 8:41 am to
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From what I have gathered, he is a 2nd rd CB in any other draft


Look no further than last year. He's not a better PROSPECT than Roby coming out and he was the 31st pick. Even if you do think he's a better prospect than Roby he certainly wasn't a better one than Dennard and he was mid 20s. And now people think Waynes is top 15 in this years draft? I think he falls and I also think there's a chance Peters or another CB goes in front of him.
Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 8:51 am to
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I think he falls and I also think there's a chance Peters or another CB goes in front of him.



I have a feeling Peters will go first. Someone won't care about his character and will take him in
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