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re: Payton comments on Jenkins Pick
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:34 am to deuce985
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:34 am to deuce985
Champ Bailey disagrees? What does that have to do with the fact that Ty Law remained one of the top corners in the league well into his 30's...
Go sit down, I think you're reaching...
Go sit down, I think you're reaching...
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Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:37 am to TRUSTtheWIZZARD
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For the love of God please don't get caught up in the 40 time.
he's a CB. you kinda have to
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He said Ali could have easily done that if not more but he was worried he wasn't being "taught" how to run it.
ali did have a speed coach. he was just slow. he couldn't keep up momentum after about 20 yards and he had to put on weight and lost speed. he ran like an OL, so even 0.15 wouldn't help (he did improve that much on 1 run at LSU's proday)
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I would put money on it that Jenkins is game fast
in the big10
he didn't look "game fast" against truly talented teams. THAT is the big worry
did OSU show up defensively against UF? LSU? USC? um, no
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:38 am to P bean
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What does that have to do with the fact that Ty Law remained one of the top corners in the league well into his 30's...
you said, "the best," no?
and ty law played in a 100% zone system and he got by b/c he could mug the living frick out of WRs downfield
when they changed the rules, he became pretty horrid
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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did OSU show up defensively against UF? LSU? USC? um, no
using that logic we shouldn't draft any Ohio St. defenders including your boy Freeman
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:41 am to jacks40
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using that logic we shouldn't draft any Ohio St. defenders including your boy Freeman
picking an athletic OLB in the 4th round is a lot different than picking a slow CB in the 1st
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:42 am to P bean
What the frick does Champ Bailey have to do with anything? Did I mention him anywhere? He was one of the highest regarded CBs in years coming into his draft...and probably will retire in the Hall of Fame. He was one of the most dominant CBs since Deion until age and rule changes got the best of him. BTW, Champ Bailey was insanely fast...I think he ran a 4.28 or something. I don't think he lost much of a step by 30 either, he was still fast.
I still remember watching Champ in his days at Georgia, when I was kid. He was a monster. Too bad his brother didn't turn out to be the same, I remember he ran like a 4.38 as a LB. Boss never molded out...
I still remember watching Champ in his days at Georgia, when I was kid. He was a monster. Too bad his brother didn't turn out to be the same, I remember he ran like a 4.38 as a LB. Boss never molded out...
This post was edited on 4/26/09 at 11:44 am
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Good point. Vernon Gholsten sure has worked out real well!
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:43 am to Earl Candle
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Didn't Chris Gamble run the 40 in that range?
chris gamble is also bigger, stronger, ran better at their pro day, and was dominant going agianst top competition
gamble was so awesome he was starting on that 2002 team as a true sophomore
jenkins was playing on a less talented OSU team and didn't play fulltime CB until his senior year
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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picking an athletic OLB in the 4th round is a lot different than picking a slow CB in the 1st
Yes but justifying your position that Jenkins sucks by saying the entire defense chocked on the cock of good offensive teams is also applicable to Marcus Freeman.
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
so you are going on record saying Jenkins will bust?
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:44 am to jacks40
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Yes but justifying your position that Jenkins sucks by saying the entire defense chocked on the cock of good offensive teams is also applicable to Marcus Freeman.
but freeman is a good athlete that can theoretically be molded into a good player with good coaching
jenkins is utterly limited by running a slower 40 than will smith
you can take some athletes and "coach em up" into great players. just look at 'nandi.
you can't teach speed
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:45 am to Lester Earl
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so you are going on record saying Jenkins will bust?
if he plays CB? yes
i'm not mad at the pick, but he was the 4th option in my eyes
1. trading down
2. trading for picks next year
3. oher
4. jenkins
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:46 am to Lester Earl
I hope he turns out to be a great DB, as we all do. I'm just not that convinced yet. If he does have a great season, I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong. 
To the guy above, it does matter because if you watched him play, he always suffered against higher competition. Nobody is going to sit here and argue that the Big Ten is full of powerhouse programs.
To the guy above, it does matter because if you watched him play, he always suffered against higher competition. Nobody is going to sit here and argue that the Big Ten is full of powerhouse programs.
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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jenkins is utterly limited by running a slower 40 than will smith
More than his 40 he is hurt by being tall and not having good mechanics able to open his hips from the backpeddle. His 40 is 4.5 his coverage is probably closer to 4.6
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you can't teach speed
Aren't these draft prospects taught how to run the 40 for the combine and pro days?
Posted on 4/26/09 at 11:49 am to jacks40
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Aren't these draft prospects taught how to run the 40 for the combine and pro days?
and jenkins did not improve his 40 going from the combine to his pro day
OSU's track is known as an insanely fast track, usually resulting in 0.15-0.2 decreases
malcom jennings ran the same 40s (4.55-4.60), which means he may have run amazingly at the combine and he's really a 4.7 guy
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
So if Ty Law was so horrible, then why did he have 8 picks with the Buffalo Bills, not the Patriots, in his mid 30's, when you claim that he was horrid? Scheme? Luck? Some other lame pointless argument that you are ever so famous for?
Get out of here, you dont know squat about athleticism. A guy who runs a 4.5 40 can be considered more athletic than a person who runs a 4.3 40.
Top speed is only one facet of a person's athleticism. But you also have to factor, quickness, balance, change of direction, ability to change speeds, acceleration, hand eye coordination, short area burst, strength, etc. Chris Cummings was one of the fastest LSU corners ever, and played for the Saints but he was garbage.
Get out of here, you dont know squat about athleticism. A guy who runs a 4.5 40 can be considered more athletic than a person who runs a 4.3 40.
Top speed is only one facet of a person's athleticism. But you also have to factor, quickness, balance, change of direction, ability to change speeds, acceleration, hand eye coordination, short area burst, strength, etc. Chris Cummings was one of the fastest LSU corners ever, and played for the Saints but he was garbage.
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:31 pm to P bean
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So if Ty Law was so horrible, then why did he have 8 picks with the Buffalo Bills, not the Patriots, in his mid 30's,
because the only thing he did was sit back and go for the ball. he turned into a slower version of dre bly
he got fricking burned more often than not
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Top speed is only one facet of a person's athleticism. But you also have to factor, quickness, balance, change of direction, ability to change speeds, acceleration, hand eye coordination, short area burst, strength, etc.
and you still have to be fast as frick to play man CB in the NFL, ALONG WITH the rest of those areas of athleticism
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
yes, you do have to be fast to play NFL corner, and time has proven that 4.5 guys can excell at corner in the league... no doubt pure speed is always coveted, but everybody's point, that you fail to see, is that there are several excellant NFL corner's that dont have blazing speed...
And FYI, Jenkis has started 45 out of 49 games played at OSU at corner. Read his bio you giantic duesche, its on the saints team website....lol.
And FYI, Jenkis has started 45 out of 49 games played at OSU at corner. Read his bio you giantic duesche, its on the saints team website....lol.
Posted on 4/26/09 at 12:54 pm to P bean
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and time has proven that 4.5 guys can excell at corner in the league
he ran a 4.58
go find me all the CBs who play man coverage who ran a 4.6 who are starting in the NFL right now
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