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Not the Falcons But Funny:Buccaneers admit mistake, boot Aguayo
Posted on 8/12/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 8/12/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted by PFT on August 12, 2017, 12:36 PM EDT
PFT
At least he was not a QB.
PFT
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In the NFL, it’s always better to admit a mistake than to compound it.
For the Buccaneers, the decision to burn a 2016 second-round pick on kicker Robert Aguayo has proven to be a mistake. The Buccaneers made the definitive admission of their error on Saturday, cutting Aguayo.
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He exits with $428,000 in fully-guaranteed salary for 2017. If he kicks for someone else this year (and based on his performances to date there’s hardly a guarantee he will), the Bucs will get a dollar-for-dollar credit.
They get no credit for drafting Aguayo, but plenty of credit for realizing he’s not the guy. The first clear sense that maybe they’d screwed up came when veteran Nick Folk arrived with $750,000 in guaranteed pay. The last straw came last night, with a missed 47-yard field goal and a shanked extra point prompting the team to cut ties with Aguayo.
For Folk, it’s now his job to lose. And he already has done enough during camp to prompt speculation that maybe he will.
At least he was not a QB.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 1:00 pm
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Posted on 8/12/17 at 12:58 pm to Mrwhodat
Can't fault teams for drafting qbs, it's by far the hardest position to fill.
I can fault a team for spending a 2nd on a kicker though
I can fault a team for spending a 2nd on a kicker though
Posted on 8/12/17 at 1:03 pm to htran90
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I can fault a team for spending a 2nd on a kicker though
Why though? they score more points than anyone else.I guarantee no other position would have more to gain from a sabermetric revolution in football than Kickers.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 1:15 pm to Hester Carries
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Why though? they score more points than anyone else.I guarantee no other position would have more to gain from a sabermetric revolution in football than Kickers.
It's easier to find a good kicker in any round though. Same can't be said of a qb.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 1:25 pm to Mrwhodat
I wouldn't have spent a 2nd on him, but probably still a 4th or 5th and been wrong as well.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 1:32 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I wouldn't have spent a 2nd on him, but probably still a 4th or 5th and been wrong as well.
Agreed. I would only take best available player for the first 3 rounds. The exception would be at QB.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 2:13 pm to Mrwhodat
Sign him now
Posted on 8/12/17 at 2:44 pm to oVo
For what? Lutz to teach him how to kick?
Posted on 8/12/17 at 2:45 pm to Hester Carries
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Why though? they score more points than anyone else.I guarantee no other position would have more to gain from a sabermetric revolution in football than Kickers.
While it's true they tend to score more points than other positions there are two core issues with this argument.
The first is that many of the points they score come from PATs after someone else scores a TD. That means others have to score first for them to score (those points).
The second is that they are not every down players, and in fact play the fewest snaps outside of perhaps punter (depends on how the day is going for that team). This means they rely on all the other players to get into field position for them to score points, and then only come on for one play to do so.
So while it is important to have a good kicker, they are not worth big capital considering most kickers have close to the same ability, and all kickers are streaky year to year.
Ask the Seahawks how they feel after giving big money to their kicker and then him not doing nearly as well since. Edit: After looking him up it was actually just the year he got the big contract he did poorly (one of his worst years). He then had a great year followed by a good year.
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No FG kicker is over 90% for their career, and the highest ranked retired kicker is Vanderjagt at 86.5%, and even he had streaky years. Only 4 current kickers are better and only 1 of those has played more than 10 years.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/12/17 at 3:09 pm to bonethug0108
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The second is that they are not every down players, and in fact play the fewest snaps outside of perhaps punter (depends on how the day is going for that team). This means they rely on all the other players to get into field position for them to score points, and then only come on for one play to do so.
So while it is important to have a good kicker, they are not worth big capital considering most kickers have close to the same ability, and all kickers are streaky year to year.
Cue Chad for a Morestead rant
Posted on 8/12/17 at 3:22 pm to mindbreaker
I'd argue a good punter is harder to find and affects the game more as they change field position more than any other player (if they are good).
Chad can moan and groan all he wants about the averages, but they don't measure hang time and placement.
Chad can moan and groan all he wants about the averages, but they don't measure hang time and placement.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 3:48 pm to bonethug0108
Agree....remember when we had Brandon Feilds. It was a disaster when Morstead was out.
Anyway i think we should be thanking the Bucs. I dont know for sure but i have a feeling we were gunning for Aguayo early.
Anyway i think we should be thanking the Bucs. I dont know for sure but i have a feeling we were gunning for Aguayo early.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 3:52 pm to Hester Carries
I actually agree with you. Just cause they're not an everydown player, people think just grab them later. The amount of games I can count off the top of my head the saints lost because of a relatively easy kick (either for or against) is pretty high. Hartley vs Falcons, Packers. Lutz vs Giants, Broncos and Panthers. And then all the near 60 yarders Matt Bryant crushed against us for game winners over the years. We haven't had a reliable kicker since Carney. Lutz had a lot of mistakes last year but the potential is there. It looks like he's learned to get them over the line and if that's the case, we could finally have a good one. Jury is still out but I'm hopeful for this year.
This post was edited on 8/12/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/12/17 at 4:13 pm to htran90
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I can fault a team for spending a 2nd on a kicker though
yep. it is stupid.
Posted on 8/12/17 at 4:14 pm to Mrwhodat
I wanted him but not until the 4th at the earliest. Surprised he sucked so bad
Posted on 8/12/17 at 4:20 pm to SuperSoakher
2 of those 3 games for Lutz weren't even on him. Only one on him was Panthers on a low kick.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:34 pm to Hester Carries
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Why though? they score more points than anyone else.I guarantee no other position would have more to gain from a sabermetric revolution in football than Kickers.
Are you for fricking real?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 12:39 am to SuperSoakher
All because they can win or lose the game at a critical point doesn't make them that much more important.
I lone last drive. I'll give you a qb like Ryan Fitzpatrick and an automatic kicker from under 50. You still have to move the ball 50 yards to get there. Or would you rather Derek Carr (2nd rounder) with someone like udfa will Lutz?
I lone last drive. I'll give you a qb like Ryan Fitzpatrick and an automatic kicker from under 50. You still have to move the ball 50 yards to get there. Or would you rather Derek Carr (2nd rounder) with someone like udfa will Lutz?
This post was edited on 8/15/17 at 12:43 am
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:03 am to bonethug0108
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Chad can moan and groan all he wants about the averages, but they don't measure hang time and placement.
Tommy sucks at placement
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