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"New" Saints O being built around Brees' changing abilities
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:35 pm
I don't think it's by accident all these moves being made are to address Brees' ability to throw the deep ball as opposed to when he was younger. However, given time, Brees will carve up a Defense probably better than anyone in the league. The new Saints will run to set up the short/medium pass.
Ingram (beast run behind Unger)
Spiller/Cooks (short field speed targets)
Josh Hill (a better pass catcher than he gets credit for)
Colston (he and Brees know each other like a book)
Graham was expendable because he doesn't fit this new offense, in that precision route running will be at a premium, and TE's will be expected to block and catch. Graham was incredible at what he did, but he wasn't a blocker, and when he started dropping passes and did some sloppy route running, the die was cast.
Stills was a deep threat, and we're just not going to go deep that much anymore with Brees' declining arm strength. And maybe if the rumors are true that Drew wasn't a fan of his. We got good value for him and if we do need a deep threat, Cooks can fill in, or we draft a rookie for that role.
There is no doubt that we extremely thin and unknown at receiver position. I think we may still pick up a FA, definitely in the draft - a great route runner, possession receiver. Not sure who is left.
The team is being built to maximize the last few years of Brees' stellar career. They are all in for that. And I'm OK with it. Had we gone with tweaks to last years team, we would get a similar result. The team needed a shakeup.
PS: and I do believe we draft Bryce Petty....
Ingram (beast run behind Unger)
Spiller/Cooks (short field speed targets)
Josh Hill (a better pass catcher than he gets credit for)
Colston (he and Brees know each other like a book)
Graham was expendable because he doesn't fit this new offense, in that precision route running will be at a premium, and TE's will be expected to block and catch. Graham was incredible at what he did, but he wasn't a blocker, and when he started dropping passes and did some sloppy route running, the die was cast.
Stills was a deep threat, and we're just not going to go deep that much anymore with Brees' declining arm strength. And maybe if the rumors are true that Drew wasn't a fan of his. We got good value for him and if we do need a deep threat, Cooks can fill in, or we draft a rookie for that role.
There is no doubt that we extremely thin and unknown at receiver position. I think we may still pick up a FA, definitely in the draft - a great route runner, possession receiver. Not sure who is left.
The team is being built to maximize the last few years of Brees' stellar career. They are all in for that. And I'm OK with it. Had we gone with tweaks to last years team, we would get a similar result. The team needed a shakeup.
PS: and I do believe we draft Bryce Petty....
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Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:36 pm to MetTiger
Brees is still great at the deep ball
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:38 pm to drake20
Yeah, the OL didn't give him time to go deep. IIRC he was still a top 5 deep passer in terms of efficiency (2nd?). And it seemed like when he missed, it was actually deep.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:38 pm to drake20
He still throws a very good deep ball.
Only problem he has is pressure in his face.
Only problem he has is pressure in his face.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:39 pm to MetTiger
Deep ball were on point when we played against teams with no interior pass rush.
I agree on some, like Graham doesn't fit the philosophy. He is just too one-dimensional and expensive for someone doing Colston's job.
I agree on some, like Graham doesn't fit the philosophy. He is just too one-dimensional and expensive for someone doing Colston's job.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:39 pm to MetTiger
Terrible.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:39 pm to MetTiger
Triplett tweeted that Payton was very high on Coleman, Toon, and Santavious Jones at the end of last year. Maybe he thinks we're set at wr. 
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:40 pm to MetTiger
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Graham was expendable because he doesn't fit this new offense, in that precision route running will be at a premium,
Graham fits ANY offense. His size and spedd running up the seam is a matchup nightmare for any DB/Safety. the only real defense for it is to drill him once he touches the ball and make him drop it.
Unfortunately he was one of the few trades that would bring in a top Center which is what we desperately needed to;
1) hold his own in the middle, and
2) HELP the OGs next to him.
Jimmy had to go in any significant retooling due to his relative value and price-tag.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:40 pm to drake20
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Brees is still great at the deep ball
drake, I didn't see it that way, he wasn't accurate as in the past. Brees likes checking off receivers and thats where he kills you. But with Stills gone, at this time we really dont have anyone to go deep.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:41 pm to MetTiger
I've been known to go deep
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:42 pm to MetTiger
You didn't see it, but statistics proved otherwise.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:42 pm to MetTiger
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drake, I didn't see it that way,
You saw wrong.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:42 pm to Midget Death Squad
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I've been known to go deep
Bottoming out in the kiddie pool is not the same as "going deep".
Just saying.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:42 pm to MetTiger
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But with Stills gone, at this time we really dont have anyone to go deep.
You serious Clark?
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:44 pm to MetTiger
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I don't think it's by accident all these moves being made are to address Brees' ability to throw the deep ball as opposed to when he was younger.
He had the 3rd most accurate deep ball in 2014. He had the highest passer rating by far on deep balls in 2013 with 15 TDs to just 2 Ints
He did this while facing the 4th most pressures in the NFL in 2014...
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:45 pm to elprez00
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Terrible.
Dude, your chart is from 2008-2013. I agree there. But I'm talking 2014. Brees has no desire to get crushed in his golden years. We're going to run a checkoff passing offense and now we have the tools to do that. That's what he does better than anyone.
And college draftee can chunk the ball downfield. Using the short game, Brees can move the chains and wear out defenses.
Other wild prediction..Lance Moore back 1 year contract.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:46 pm to MetTiger
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drake, I didn't see it that way, he wasn't accurate as in the past. Brees likes checking off receivers and thats where he kills you. But with Stills gone, at this time we really dont have anyone to go deep.
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This is especially since Brees was one of the NFL’s best deep passers in 2014, as, per PFF, he was “accurate” (using PFF’s accuracy percentage) on 51.6% of his throws that traveled beyond 20 yards, and only Ryan topped him there.
With a QB Rating of 134.9 on throws to his deep left, I don’t think Brees had any issues getting the ball to playmakers like Kenny Stills. He’s never been known for his arm strength, but it’s a stretch to say, “HAHA, he can’t throw the deep ball anymore!”
Since he averaged 10.9 yards per completion this season, the only difference is that he threw the deep ball less, and that has to do with the increased amount of pressure he faced this season. Among 25 qualifying quarterbacks, only Ryan Tannehill threw the deep ball less than Brees, so the Saints offense traded big plays for efficiency. Per Advanced Football Analytics, Brees had the second-highest success rate%, which measures the percentage of successful plays a player had, based on down and distance factors. First and third? Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo, respectively. His SR% and lack of deep targets shows that the Saints offense wanted him to focus on consistency instead of splash plays.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:47 pm to MetTiger
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Dude, your chart is from 2008-2013. I agree there. But I'm talking 2014. Brees has no desire to get crushed in his golden years. We're going to run a checkoff passing offense and now we have the tools to do that. That's what he does better than anyone.
2014 Deep Ball Accuracy = 51.6%
>
2008-2013 = 50.1%
He throws the best deep sideline routes in the NFL via comebacks and outs. That is supposed to be the hardest throw to make in the NFL
This post was edited on 3/13/15 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:49 pm to TigerBait1127
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He had the 3rd most accurate deep ball in 2014. He had the highest passer rating by far on deep balls in 2013 with 15 TDs to just 2 Ints
With many to Stills and Graham.....they're gone.
We didn't sign both Ingram and Spiller to throw deep. Hey, I hope he can still throw the deep ball consistently. I'm just saying Payton is getting personnel to fit his short/medium game.
Posted on 3/13/15 at 1:49 pm to MetTiger
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"New" Saints D being built around Brees' same old abilities
Thats how it should read.
The thought is the offense will always run at a high clip as long as Drew is behind center. The big question is will the D makes stops. These moves are all about D.
Spiller-replaces sproles/thomas
Grubbs- was a likely casualty, has been known all along.
Unger- Without a solid center Drew gets pressure up the middle and we have seen what happens with that
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