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re: New Orleans Saints could move Andrus Peat to left guard
Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:05 pm to Mrwhodat
Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:05 pm to Mrwhodat
Lol I always thought it made sense. Used to playing left side, keep him at LG.
It's like a DB who is shut down on one side and asked to go everywhere and then fails. it's muscle memory that builds up and it's hard to play both sides becauss you're used to flipping one over another.
It's like a DB who is shut down on one side and asked to go everywhere and then fails. it's muscle memory that builds up and it's hard to play both sides becauss you're used to flipping one over another.
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Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
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draft grades you seen on the internet are generally not reliable, esp when you get past the 2nd round
You (along with a lot of others) still say we didn't address Guards during the draft. If you don't believe in draft grades... that are everywhere by multiple sources.... then how do you supposed they should have addressed the G position in the draft?
The only other thing would have been rounds 1-3 in which everyone would have screamed "You don't take a Guard that high".
Bottom line is by bringing in Turner and Young it was addressed. While I do not believe they are homeruns, we still don't know what the future holds for them especially Turner. People on here were wanting us to draft him at every pick from the 4th round on
Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:40 pm to Throbinhood
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You (along with a lot of others) still say we didn't address Guards during the draft.
because we didn't address guard in the draft?
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then how do you supposed they should have addressed the G position in the draft?
Maybe by drafting a guard
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Bottom line is by bringing in Turner and Young it was addressed.
It was addressed, yet we're still talking about it being our biggest weakness at not just 1 guard position, but both of them....
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:48 pm to TigerBait1127
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So we knew he struggled on the right side last year and played well on the left side.
So instead of either 1) working him exclusively on the right side so that he could learn the position, footwork, etc. and improve or 2) playing him exclusively on the left side where he's more comfortable, we decided to do neither.
Brilliant.
What you are seeing here is a team that is actively losing confidence in the potential of a player. At some point this season, they probably expected that he'd be able to adapt as compared to the two guys they had penciled in as a weakness.
Now, they are coming to the realization that they have to find a spot that he can be somewhat productive at. It's nothing close to a sure thing that he's going to be productive at left guard.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:50 pm to Throbinhood
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Landon Turner and Avery Young both had 4th-5th round draft grades on them and we got them as UDFA. So whether we drafted them or not does it really matter? You can't say they didn't address Guard in the "draft process" because they pretty much did.
Now should they have addressed the G position in FA prior to the draft ..... probably so.
Draft grades in a publication is not the same thing as consensus draft grades by scouting departments.
Those guys weren't drafted because they weren't considered worthy of being drafted by most teams. Sure, maybe a team or two had them rated as a 4th or 5th round player. But, most did not.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:53 pm to Sparkplug#1
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Does Peat have the eye of the tiger? I think that's the problem
It's probably a bit difficult to quantify that, but I feel like I've heard a few former players kind of question his "nastiness" so to speak. (I think one was Steve Korte who said he wanted to see Peat get a little more of a mean streak).
Peat's dad played in the NFL. Maybe because of that fact combined with Andrus' size, he felt he HAD to be a football player, even if he didn't have a great desire to play the game. Because of his size he was able to dominate at the lower levels. However, he can't just simply rely on size to get by at the NFL level.
Of course that is all conjecture. However, (in HS) I played with some guys who had dads that played college football. The sons were big, but didn't love football. They played because they felt they were "supposed" to play. As a result, despite good size, they weren't particular great. They just didn't like football enough to have the desire to be dominant players
Posted on 8/29/16 at 2:54 pm to moneyg
What's really sad is Payton's admission that the will now scour other teams cuts to become possible staters for this team. Man, have the Saints' really regressed that far??
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:07 pm to Mrwhodat
Project Peat™ works on a couple of levels. For one, he's a project. On the other hand we get to project what position he'll play.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:10 pm to moneyg
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What you are seeing here is a team that is actively losing confidence in the potential of a player. At some point this season, they probably expected that he'd be able to adapt as compared to the two guys they had penciled in as a weakness.
No, what you're seeing is a team completely mismanage the development of a player by bouncing him around repeatedly and ignoring the circumstances where he's played well.
Because make no mistake about it, he played well down the stretch on the left side.
He was never going to play a snap at LT unless Armstead goes down. It was a waste when he has so little experience playing on the right side. Since the plan was to play him at RG, that's where he should have actually gotten work. It isn't the same as playing the left and requires the experience to get it down.
Also, he actually played well at LT too last year when Armstead did get injured.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:15 pm to Throbinhood
Lester Earl complains because he loves to complain.
We needed interior pressure so we took the #1 rated pure DT with our 1st round pick.
By the time our 2nd round pick came, some of the top OG and OT picks have been taken. Some of which weren't even that highly rated
Garnett and Ifedi.
Then we took Michael Thomas who fills a legitimate need as well, but then Cody whitehair ended up going before Vonn bell.
So do we not get rankins or Thomas?
We needed interior pressure so we took the #1 rated pure DT with our 1st round pick.
By the time our 2nd round pick came, some of the top OG and OT picks have been taken. Some of which weren't even that highly rated
Garnett and Ifedi.
Then we took Michael Thomas who fills a legitimate need as well, but then Cody whitehair ended up going before Vonn bell.
So do we not get rankins or Thomas?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:17 pm to htran90
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So do we not get rankins or Thomas?
In hindsight, we should have taken Tunsil over Rankins imo.
But that's a lot of capital to give up.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:22 pm to htran90
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So do we not get rankins or Thomas?
in the first they should have gone to Ole Miss and gotten any one of their guys coming out... all fit an immediate need, and we couldn't have missed on any one of them... and all were available.....
in the second, when you have a guy at G that fills the need and he slid to you at your pick, you have to pull the trigger... whitehair was there..... thomas may become a good player, but we should have filled that position (WR) a long time ago, rather than waiting for UDFA's to come around....
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:25 pm to chRxis
To keep from starting a new thread, what was the Armstead injury outcome???... I'm guessing not serious since I don't see much info about it????
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:30 pm to TigerBait1127
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No, what you're seeing is a team completely mismanage the development of a player by bouncing him around repeatedly and ignoring the circumstances where he's played well.
It's because they were expecting/hoping for more out of him. They have resigned themselves to the fact that he may be able to be productive next to Armstead.
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He was never going to play a snap at LT unless Armstead goes down. It was a waste when he has so little experience playing on the right side. Since the plan was to play him at RG, that's where he should have actually gotten work. It isn't the same as playing the left and requires the experience to get it down.
I think it's time to realize that Peat is struggling for reasons beyond not being comfortable in his position. His upside is looking very limited. His inability to adapt to the right side is meaningful. He's not a victim.
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Also, he actually played well at LT too last year when Armstead did get injured.
...and he's looked great at LT this preseason.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:32 pm to moneyg
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His inability to adapt to the right side is meaningful.
Inability to adapt? He hasn't been given meaningful time to "adapt". He's been at LT for the majority of camp. What time has he been given to "adapt"?
That's the entire point of what you responded to.... If you want him to "adapt" to the right side, give him the reps on the right side.
And I'm not even arguing that he's good. I'm arguing that our entire handling of him has been fricktarded. How can you disagree with that?
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:44 pm to TigerBait1127
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Inability to adapt? He hasn't been given meaningful time to "adapt". He's been at LT for the majority of camp. What time has he been given to "adapt"?
He worked at both throughout camp. And, Payton kind of assumed his struggles were a result of bouncing back and forth:
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Sean Payton says “a little bit” of the problem could be caused by Andrus Peat being shuffled back and forth between left tackle and right guard during much of training camp.
Peat filled in at left tackle for most of the early part of camp while the normal left tackle, Terron Armstead, recoevered from an injury. Peat, in his second season, also spent time at right guard, where he is slated to start.
“(Going from) guard and tackle is one thing, but when it’s left side of the ball and right side of the ball, your stance changes,” Payton said. “We’ve got to settle in. We didn’t want to play Armstead more snaps than he should have in his first week coming back. Hopefully we’ll be able to keep Peat on the right side and be able to get a lot of reps with that one group.”
They saw enough out of him this past week to realize that, again, he needs to move back to the left side. That's how rough it was. They've changed the plan in a single week...because Peat isn't performing and they have no confidence that he will be able to get it done.
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But Peat received playing time as a rookie at left tackle and left guard due to injuries along the offensive line, and hasn’t adjusted to playing right guard as quickly as Saints coaches had anticipated.
I'd love to believe that it's simply a matter of giving him time to develop. Unfortunately, I think Peat's potential is as a guard (that's a failure in itself). And, they don't view him as a guy who can pick up the other side of the line in a reasonable amount of time.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:55 pm to moneyg
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He worked at both throughout camp.
Lester already went over this. He spent the majority of his time at LT.
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“(Going from) guard and tackle is one thing, but when it’s left side of the ball and right side of the ball, your stance changes,” Payton said. “We’ve got to settle in
Which is what I've been saying....
And if the position is that different, they should have put him there exclusively since day 1 of this offseason instead of bouncing him around.
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They saw enough out of him this past week to realize that, again, he needs to move back to the left side.
I can't explain it any clearer at this point. If they wanted him on the right side, he should have been playing it exclusively since the beginning of camp.
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And, they don't view him as a guy who can pick up the other side of the line in a reasonable amount of time.
Which is why it is was such a retarded plan. You don't put these experiments in place 2 weeks before the season. You do it at the beginning of camp.
Also, LG is a black hole for this team. The play has been far worse than Peat.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:18 pm to Mrwhodat
I said that Peat was a disaster pick the day he was drafted. I was pretty upset about it.
The geniuses on this board told me I was stupid. No surprise there.
No one likes to hear "I told you so," so I won't say it. But ...
Peat was not worth the 13th pick.
The geniuses on this board told me I was stupid. No surprise there.
No one likes to hear "I told you so," so I won't say it. But ...
Peat was not worth the 13th pick.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:27 pm to AlaTiger
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said that Peat was a disaster pick the day he was drafted. I was pretty upset about it.
The geniuses on this board told me I was stupid. No surprise there.
No one likes to hear "I told you so," so I won't say it. But ...
Peat was not worth the 13th pick.
This is a myth.
Almost the entire board melted over the Peat pick and went even further during the Grayson pick. I've linked the threads from that day before.
It was not a popular pick
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:50 pm to moneyg
So Sean Payton in saying after the draft and signing that they had a draft grade on both of the Guards they signed as UDFA and were fortunate enough to get them in FA means that they didn't have draft grade right?...
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