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Mickey Loomis is the problem
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:34 am
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:34 am
I have been saying this for years.
He has always been a mediocre GM, did you forget the Haslett era?
. All you have to do is look at his draft history from the time he became GM in the 2001-2002 season.
The lone exception being the 2006 draft wherein he got crazy lucky with Colston and Strief in the 7th.
Go through the list. It's amazing how much the man has whiffed on picks.
Saints draft history by round
-He caught lightening in a bottle with the 2006 draft.
-Was extremely lucky that the Dolphins passed on Brees and then to have Brees excel like has coming off the injury was beyond lucky.
-the super bowl teams defense had something like 20+ tds and was + a bunch in turnovers
The bottom line is he rolled snake eyes with Brees and the 2006 draft. Then the voodoo potion he took wore off and you are left with the same GM that He was when Haslett was here.
Now because of the 2009 season and the 2006 draft and free agent signing of Brees he is untouchable in the organization with all of the ownership in fighting.
Thats the bottom line.
Loomis is the same mediocre GM as he was with Haslett but because of the 2006 draft and Brees the perception of him changed, but the reality did not.
He has always been a mediocre GM, did you forget the Haslett era?
. All you have to do is look at his draft history from the time he became GM in the 2001-2002 season.
The lone exception being the 2006 draft wherein he got crazy lucky with Colston and Strief in the 7th.
Go through the list. It's amazing how much the man has whiffed on picks.
Saints draft history by round
-He caught lightening in a bottle with the 2006 draft.
-Was extremely lucky that the Dolphins passed on Brees and then to have Brees excel like has coming off the injury was beyond lucky.
-the super bowl teams defense had something like 20+ tds and was + a bunch in turnovers
The bottom line is he rolled snake eyes with Brees and the 2006 draft. Then the voodoo potion he took wore off and you are left with the same GM that He was when Haslett was here.
Now because of the 2009 season and the 2006 draft and free agent signing of Brees he is untouchable in the organization with all of the ownership in fighting.
Thats the bottom line.
Loomis is the same mediocre GM as he was with Haslett but because of the 2006 draft and Brees the perception of him changed, but the reality did not.
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Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:50 am to 318TigerFan
Managing the intricacies of the Cap he is second to none.
As a GM, respondsible for player personnel, he is mediocre if not below mediocre.
He needs to cede control of player personnel and go back to managing the business side and the cap.
As a GM, respondsible for player personnel, he is mediocre if not below mediocre.
He needs to cede control of player personnel and go back to managing the business side and the cap.
This post was edited on 8/27/16 at 8:50 am
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:54 am to Covingtontiger77
Isn't that what we did when we brought in Jeff Ireland?
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:58 am to TigerBait1127
Taking out the 2015 draft, he has had 88 draft choices. I count 24 yea 24 that I would consider as being legit NFL contributors for the saints or went on to stay in the league after they left.
27% !!! That is truly amazing.
27% !!! That is truly amazing.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 8:58 am to Covingtontiger77
Where in the frick do you people come from. Loomis is a money guy. That's it. Sean Payton has final say over personnel moves. Including the draft.
Hell, Jim Haslett said when Mickey first got to New Orleans he didn't know the difference between a 3-4 or 4-3 defense. Haslett would educate Loomis on basic fundamentals of the game that high school kids would know. He's strictly a money guy and he's great at that
Hell, Jim Haslett said when Mickey first got to New Orleans he didn't know the difference between a 3-4 or 4-3 defense. Haslett would educate Loomis on basic fundamentals of the game that high school kids would know. He's strictly a money guy and he's great at that
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:00 am to CapperVin
That is incorrect. Loomis is the GM and as GM the buck stops with him as far as draft picks.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:01 am to Covingtontiger77
The problem goes beyond Mickey Loomis. It is a result of the fight over control of the team by the Benson Family. The franchise is being operated by Trustees who have a fiduciary duty to put the financial interests of the trust beneficiaries at the forefront. Thus, winning takes a back seat to making money and preserving value.
I realize that winning would likely enhance the value of the franchise, but that is not the objective of a trustee. Increasing the value of the franchise while Tom Benson is alive could have detrimental impact on his estate from a tax perspective. The greater the value, the more cash they have to come up with to pay the taxes.
That being said, I'd still like to see the Saints replace Loomis as I don't think he is even mediocre when it comes to player evaluation. He has overpaid way too many free agents for their performances on top of his poor drafting.
I realize that winning would likely enhance the value of the franchise, but that is not the objective of a trustee. Increasing the value of the franchise while Tom Benson is alive could have detrimental impact on his estate from a tax perspective. The greater the value, the more cash they have to come up with to pay the taxes.
That being said, I'd still like to see the Saints replace Loomis as I don't think he is even mediocre when it comes to player evaluation. He has overpaid way too many free agents for their performances on top of his poor drafting.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:04 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
That is incorrect. Loomis is the GM and as GM the buck stops with him as far as draft picks.
You have like 5 minutes to make a draft pick. I would imagine the personnel guys and coaches make the decision and Loomis calls in the pick based off what they say. Loomis did right by bringing in Ireland.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:08 am to windshieldman
Loomis has had the full title of GM since Mueller was canned. As the head of an organization your job is to surround yourself with the best lieutenants. If you are placing the blame on them and not Loomis than you are wrong as Loomis would be the one hiring the player personnel people. The buck stops with him and most owners fire the head man and being in someone new as the new person would then bring in their own lieutenants.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:08 am to Poodlebrain
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The franchise is being operated by Trustees who have a fiduciary duty to put the financial interests of the trust beneficiaries at the forefront. Thus, winning takes a back seat to making money and preserving value.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
But hey, at least you stated your absolute bs as fact and with confidence!
quote:
realize that winning would likely enhance the value of the franchise, but that is not the objective of a trustee. Increasing the value of the franchise while Tom Benson is alive could have detrimental impact on his estate from a tax perspective. The greater the value, the more cash they have to come up with to pay the taxes.
1) Gale is getting the team
2) the trust had no controlling shares
Derp
This post was edited on 8/27/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:10 am to Covingtontiger77
Anyone down voting this is either related to Loomis or has black and gold hater blockers to the nth degree.
I mean GO LOOK AT THE DRAFT LIST!!' The names on there are truly mindboggling!
I mean GO LOOK AT THE DRAFT LIST!!' The names on there are truly mindboggling!
This post was edited on 8/27/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:10 am to Covingtontiger77
Ok guy...I guess you never heard of a coach having final say over the roster? It's always the GM
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:11 am to CapperVin
Ok so you are saying Haslett is on the same level of Payton when it comes to player evaluation? Got it.
The same mistakes in drafting are being made with both coaches.
GO LOOK AT THE LIST
The same mistakes in drafting are being made with both coaches.
GO LOOK AT THE LIST
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:13 am to Poodlebrain
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It is a result of the fight over control of the team by the Benson Family.
Bingo! This is the root of all current problems.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:14 am to Covingtontiger77
So was Loomis bring in Ireland not a good thing to you?
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:20 am to Covingtontiger77
Inb4 Lester 
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:29 am to Covingtontiger77
There's more than just one issue with the organization. I also take preseason with a grain of salt always. Didn't the Lions go 4-0 the year they went 0-16 in the regular season?
Loomis brought Ireland in to help with personnel and drafting. It'll take a couple years to really know, but on the surface I'd say our 2016 draft was our best in years. Loomis is also one of the best at working the cap so he's got that.
Loomis brought Ireland in to help with personnel and drafting. It'll take a couple years to really know, but on the surface I'd say our 2016 draft was our best in years. Loomis is also one of the best at working the cap so he's got that.
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:33 am to Starchild
Payton is the one who actually brought Ireland in. He had a prior relationship with him through Bill Parcells. Those relationships go all the way back to when Parcells was the coach of the Cowboys and Payton was the Offensive coordinator. When Parcells left to go to Miami he brought Ireland along. Jeff Ireland is not here without Sean Payton
Posted on 8/27/16 at 9:42 am to Covingtontiger77
Some say Payton is in charge now.
Right? Wrong?
But it's obvious our roster is bare and we have too much money going to our great QB, dead wood and busts. Then there are all our draft busts.
Right? Wrong?
But it's obvious our roster is bare and we have too much money going to our great QB, dead wood and busts. Then there are all our draft busts.
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