re: Mark Ingram should just quit football

So you think Eddie Lacy is a better back than Ingram?

Have you followed the NFL the last 2 years?

I don't agree with Jamaal Charles or Jeremy Hill right now either. Hill certainly wasn't better last season.

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Thomas Rawls

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Very possible, but a bit premature at this point.

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Ryan Matthews

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This isn't hypocritical at all. In 173 carries the past 2 seasons, he's LOST 5 fumbles

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Ingram averages like 140 yards receiving per year. It's not like he's a real receiving threat either.

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He finished near the top in receiving yards for running backs just last season. He's certainly shown that ability and it is probably his most improved aspect since college.

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It may be just me.. but I don't think the saints should be drafting running backs that aren't good in all phases of the game.

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Ingram is good in all phases in the game, but he's not great in any of them. He's one of the most complete backs in the league in terms of skillsets.

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He's not even in the same universe as Jamaal Charles

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2 years ago, you'd be 100% right. We haven't seen Charles lately.

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Lacy

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is 30 lbs overweight again and is likely getting cut.\\

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I don't have any issue at all with Ingrams fumbles

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I have an issue with Matthhew andHill's fumbles. Ingram's lost 2 fumbles in his career (regular season at least).

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He finished near the top in receiving yards for running backs just last season. He's certainly shown that ability and it is probably his most improved aspect since college.

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he had a great receiving year last season. He had 450 yards receiving last season.. the other 5 seasons combined total for like 442 yards. It's an outlier.

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Le'veon Bell, Doug Martin, Jamaal Charles, Jonathan Stewart, Adrian Peterson, Gurley, Chris Ivory, Lesean McCoy, Lamar Miller, Ezekiel Elliot, Eddie Lacy, Jeremy Hill, LeGarrette Blount, Thomas Rawls, DeMarco Murray, Ryan Matthews, Frank Gore.

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Now you're talking names and players who have had good years in the past, not the present or even remote future from what you're staring at.

To be even more thorough, I've even added the $$ they cost right now. You can go look up the stats to show how ludicrous it sounds otherwise.

Le'Veon Bell - yup (4/4.1mil -- last year of rookie contract)

Doug Martin - 2 seasons where I'd agree, but the biggest knock on him in 2.5 thus far is his health and inconsistency. Even TB fans are wanting to move on from him already AND he just signed his 5/35.75mil extension

Jamaal Charles - he hasn't been "Jamaal Charles" since 2014 and from the looks of it he's coming on so slow that they're worried he will never come back and be a 3-down guy ever again. That and they have vastly better options. he's becoming what CJ2k is. (2/18.1)

Jon Stewart - The same one right now? Because even when he's been in, he's been worse than Ingram. Even last year's wasn't as good as Ingram...(5/36.5)

Peterson - yup (3/42)

Gurley - last season's version, yeah since he was arguably the best. This season he's played vastly worse, even in games where offense has moved he's played lackluster. Better upside (4/13.8 - rookie scale)

Chris Ivory - isn't even the best on his team right now and there's not much infront of him. He's also still the same Chris Ivory that was cut. REALLY good runningback, but still the same one dimensional RB. (5/32)

LeSean McCoy - yup (5/40)

Lamar Miller - yup (4/26)

Ezekiel Elliott - yup (4/24.9)

Eddie Lacy - I'd say they're probably just around the same. They both are in pass happy offenses who won't use them even if they're playing well (71 carries, 360 yards, 5.1 YPC) and at the same time they're so injury prone or out of shape they forcefully lose snaps. (4/3.4mil -- last year of rookie)

Jeremy Hill - Oh I love this argument, considering we actually wanted to draft him that year, but the answer is still no. People love to point at his 5.1 YPC in his rookie season (GREAT season with him + Gio for a 1-2 punch)..then a large let down sophomore year and before the game v the Browns his stat line was: 75 carries, 271 yards, 3.61 YPC. That Browns game: 9 carries, 168 yards which was a REALLY good game, but I'd bet any money he regresses back to his norm. (4/3.75mil -- rookie contract). That and he is still not their go-to guy for pass protection and catching..

LeGarrette Blount - Somehow his 4.0 YPC, inability to be a receiver as to why they need James White, and the fact that no other team wanted him except the Pats tells you one thing. System player. (1/1mil)

DeMarco Murray - nobody argued this otherwise, I think Dallas letting him leave was a mistake as he's a top 5 RB. (5/40 -> 4/25)

Thomas Rawls - now you're just listing random names to try to be "smart". You could have at least listed Christine Michael who actually has been in the same tier as Ingram.

Ryan Mathews - 2016 says no. 2013 says yeah. Right now? No. and ball security has been the 2nd biggest issue for him (2 this year alone) with health being the biggest. (3/11)

Frank Gore - Ole reliable and possible HOFer. He's been better, but not much at all (3/12)



You leave off some of the easiest names to list, yet add on more "common names", yet have done nothing in the present.

Ignoring guys like:
David Johnson, who is arguably the best RB in the league right now

Devonta Freeman: also considered a top 5 RB dating to last year. Benefits from a good run blocking OL this year (last year YPC 4.0, this year 4.8), before week 7 his OL was able to create roughly 3 yards before contact. Our OL can't even get off the LOS. Still, he's a complete RB

Isaiah Crowell: turned the corner this year, lone bright spot on that Browns offense. He's been able to do everything they needed him to do, but like all Browns players won't get the recognition

Matt Jones: was the reason why they kicked Alfred Morris to the curb because of his potential and ability to be a 3-down back. He's shown it thus far. Biggest issue is his reliability to hold onto the ball (99 carries, 2 lost this year. 243 carries, 6 lost on his career)

Leonard Fournette could help extend Drew Brees' career by making defenses respect our running game and not get as many hits on Drew.

It would also take pressure off of Drew to produce ALL of the Saints' offense.

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TigerDat: Maybe because he would play like shite here there is no blocking here to promote a good run game

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This gets played out too much. Admittedly, he doesn't fit our system, but this doesn't mean blame the o-line blocking scheme. Vision, patience, acceleration, and power are things he should have that he lacks. But blame the O-line like everyone on here does...
Our system is actually designed to be more run/pass balanced than it is, he just doesn't fit.