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Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:49 pm to Isaid
Ingram Robinson and cadet are cheapest
Posted on 12/30/13 at 7:21 pm to Hoodoo Man
The problem for Ingram is that we have 3 solid RBs and they all have to split time. Ingram is the worst pass catcher out of the group so that means he's going to get the least amount of PT. His running style also doesn't fit our scheme. I do get a little frustrated when he puts together a few good runs and Payton pulls him out. I think Ingram has what it takes to be a good RB in the NFL he's just in the wrong system
Posted on 12/30/13 at 7:40 pm to moneyg
quote:. True, he would to... I think he realized at the beginning of the season if he didn't turn it around, he'd be out of football...
He turned it around. Having said that, I'd take a 4th for him during the offseason.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:56 pm to lovinLSU
Ingram is not the answer.
He can't or doesn't block...he only has seven receptions the entire season for a team where EVERYONE catches passes...and he usually makes no yards after initial contact by a defender.
His biggest plays were when the O-line opened a hole wide enough to drive a truck through.
I wish someone had a stat showing total yardage and 3rd down conversions when he's in/out of the game.
I think the defenses have an easier time stopping drives when Ingram is in the game.
He can't or doesn't block...he only has seven receptions the entire season for a team where EVERYONE catches passes...and he usually makes no yards after initial contact by a defender.
His biggest plays were when the O-line opened a hole wide enough to drive a truck through.
I wish someone had a stat showing total yardage and 3rd down conversions when he's in/out of the game.
I think the defenses have an easier time stopping drives when Ingram is in the game.
This post was edited on 12/30/13 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:42 am to Earn Your Keep
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He can't or doesn't block
He's been a damn good blocker out of the backfield this year. Not sure which team you're watching.
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he only has seven receptions the entire season
He has 7 catches on 9 targets
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His biggest plays were when the O-line opened a hole wide enough to drive a truck through
You could say this about nearly every RB in the history of the NFL.
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I wish someone had a stat showing total yardage and 3rd down conversions when he's in/out of the game.
Considering he only gets 3 or 4 carries a game, this doesn't seem like a difficult stat to put together..so, get on it.
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I think the defenses have an easier time stopping drives when Ingram is in the game.
Ingram has the highest YPC of any back on the team, so you have no facts to back this except your personal opinion.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 12:44 am
Posted on 12/31/13 at 12:53 am to bamabenny
If we ever commit to running the football we could see what he is made of. But from what we have seen line needs improvement in run blocking but from his history Ingram also has problems hitting holes when they are there.. When he does he gets yards, but he is his own worst enemy a lot of the time for a power back he try's bouncing the ball outside to much.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 12:54 am
Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:59 am to bamabenny
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Ingram has the highest YPC of any back on the team, so you have no facts to back this except your personal opinion.
The only "personal" opinion is yours being a Bammer.
The Saints were 5-0 without him. Since he returned from his toe injury the offense has been all over the place. You can say he has only been a target nine times...but maybe it's because he can't figure out how to get open. It's surely not because he's guarded or considered a threat.
Take off your crimson glasses and go watch all the games again. He's not the 1st or 2nd best option at RB for this team. He SURELY hasn't done anything to deserve a new contract.
DCs know his capabilities & limitations. This is one of the reasons he has few receptions. When he's in the game the defense often drops into coverage because he is not considered a threat. This may account for his occasional long run as the box is not stacked. They'll often double Graham or Colston when Ingram is in the game. They respect Thomas more and don't do the same thing when he's in the game.
Go back and watch the games where teams have stacked the line of scrimmage. Thomas & Sproles can beat it due to the screen. Thomas & Robinson can drag a few defenders for a short gain on these plays but Ingram usually gets nothing.
If you want to credit Ingram's YPC solely to him...fine. Then you should also blame him for the past two years. You can't have it both ways.
He has had maybe a dozen catches in two seasons for a team who throws the ball 60% of the time and spreads it across the field to everyone. You can say they don't use him correctly but I disagree. I just believe he's a one-dimensional back who has his limitations.
The Saints had a ton of injuries at RB so they panicked and reached for Ingram in the draft. Unfortunately it hasn't worked well for the Saints or Ingram. I don't think he has much trade value but would love to see it happen. We need the depth at other positions and it would give him an opportunity to get more carries for another team.
I think he's similar to Trent Richardson. These are guys who played behind massive O-lines (who will NEVER get called for holding as long as the SEC HQ is in Gumpville) and have had difficulty adjusting to pro ball.
Had his injury kept him out longer, I believe the Saints would've won at least one more game. That would've been enough to win the division and receive a first round bye.
...and NO I'm not picking on Ingram because he played for Alabama. We've heard that excuse enough times when some try to defend the horrible play of Roman Harper. (Fortunately this will be his last year!)
Posted on 12/31/13 at 8:23 am to Earn Your Keep
Would the world end if CSP put MI and PT in at the same damn time?
Let a Def. figure that one out.
Let a Def. figure that one out.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:37 am to Earn Your Keep
I don't know man. I've seen good things from Ingram this year. And if his contract situation doesn't require much I say sign him. He doesn't have a lot of wear on him and PT isn't getting younger. At the same time if he wants too much money he hasn't shown me enough to warrant it and the Saints find Khiry Robinsons just about every year.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 11:30 am to Earn Your Keep
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The only "personal" opinion is yours being a Bammer.
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...and NO I'm not picking on Ingram because he played for Alabama.
The guy had a pretty shitty first two years, you won't find anyone (Bama fan or not) denying that. But to say he hasn't been the best RB on this team for the better part of this year is just asinine. If SP doesn't get his act together and at least try to establish a run game in Philly, this will be a short playoff run.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 5:29 pm to bamabenny
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But to say he hasn't been the best RB on this team for the better part of this year is just asinine.
Are you serious? Thomas has over 1,000 yards in offense and Sproles has over 1,000 counting special teams. I'm sure you would like to only count running average but that only proves my point about him being one-dimensional.
I'm sure the 300+ yards running & less than 100 yards receiving is keeping the Eagles from sleeping this week. I'm sure they're scared to death of facing Mark Ingram.
They should forget about Brees, Graham, Sproles, Thomas, Colston, Meachem, Moore, Stills, and Watson. They should focus on Mr. YPC Ingram.
Did you ever consider Ingram has better stats this year because defenses aren't worried about him? They know he can't do much damage so they drop into coverage to cover the pass which occasionally results in a decent run. It surely doesn't produce TDs.
With the cold weather predicted for Philadelphia this Saturday, we need tough RBs to carry the load. That should be Thomas & Robinson. Sproles may be limited by weather and Ingram should only see the field once the game has already been decided.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 5:32 pm to Earn Your Keep
You're not making any sense.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 5:35 pm to Earn Your Keep
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The Saints were 5-0 without him. Since he returned from his toe injury the offense has been all over the place.
Come on. To blame Ingram for our offensive struggles is insane.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 5:40 pm to THRILLHO
This irrational Bama hate is getting old.
He's now played for us just as long as he did in college.
He's now played for us just as long as he did in college.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 5:40 pm to Earn Your Keep
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Earn Your Keep
Your Bama hate has clearly biased you. I'm not even sure you've seen Ingram play based off your posts. You couldn't be more wrong about anything you posted. So you either are blinded by Bama hate, or you don't know jack shite about football. Take your pick.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:24 pm to Hoodoo Man
I was never an Ingram fan but I think he clearly earned more carries than he received this season, especially the back half of the season. Dude was running like he was mad and i liked it.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:36 pm to LNCHBOX
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So you either are blinded by Bama hate, or you don't know jack shite about football. Take your pick.
The exact point I was trying to make to the guy. Thank you.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 9:30 pm to Hoodoo Man
Biggest problem is a back like Ingram needs 15-20 carries per game to have a chance to prove himself. He never got that on a consistent basis. I don't really understand why Payton drafted him if he wasn't going to use him in that manner.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 10:19 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Biggest problem is a back like Ingram needs 15-20 carries per game to have a chance to prove himself. He never got that on a consistent basis. I don't really understand why Payton drafted him if he wasn't going to use him in that manner.
we all said this, but 13 rushes for 83 yards against carolina @ carolina. his big run was 34 yards. take that away and its still 4.08ypc which was higher than any other RB. He has been playing better in the 2nd half (where have we heard this before) and I think he has shown that he can ball. I've seen something lately in him we haven't which is not going down at first contact. he's fighting for yards (what we've all wanted).
I've seen him do well in pass protection this year, he doesn't whiff blocks as much as earn your keep says. The ingram/bama hate is so strong its clouding his judgement
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