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re: Malcolm Butler saga is just getting started
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:08 pm to BlacknGold
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:08 pm to BlacknGold
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Yeah that's a great mentality to have when you have a young, up and coming QB
We've had this mentality for years now. Like I said, 4 out of the 5 seasons are 7-9. We've wasted a lot of Brees while trying to "win now". Malcolm Butler isn't making this team a sudden contender. He can have much more of a negative impact than a positive if he actually costs a 1st rd pick along w his contract
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if we are truly looking down the road then we should be completely revamping right now and should deal Brees
We can compete and plan for the future at the same time. If Brees happens to walk, wouldn't you like to have a young, talented, cheap roster, coupled with Brees' freed up money? That's just the recipe to rebuild. Brees can't be here forever
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:34 pm to GynoSandberg
I guess I just like our CB depth better than others.
Breaux is legit good and I think we won't have the CB apocalypse this year like last year.
Get Butler and we have more than enough depth. Need pass rushers or none of it matters.
Breaux is legit good and I think we won't have the CB apocalypse this year like last year.
Get Butler and we have more than enough depth. Need pass rushers or none of it matters.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:47 pm to ghost2most
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Breaux is legit good
And he's coming off of an injury. He should be good to go, but you never know how good a player is coming back from a major injury. I think our young corners are promising but we need some real leadership in the secondary. Butler will be akin to having Greer back with the leadership skills of a Vilma. Is he the best player on the field? Not always, but he will do the job and make everyone around him better.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:59 pm to GynoSandberg
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We can compete and plan for the future at the same time. If Brees happens to walk, wouldn't you like to have a young, talented, cheap roster, coupled with Brees' freed up money? That's just the recipe to rebuild. Brees can't be here forever
I completely agree. Pass on Butler and give me the pick and and the $10m in cap space.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:19 pm to Dead End
Buyer beware - The Patriots are not willing to pay him more than 7 million per year. They are willing to pay Gilmore and possibly Richard Sherman big money but not Butler. Doesn't that seem fishy? It makes no sense to give up a 1st round pick this year for a player that we can sign for no compensation next year. This is why the Patriots win Super Bowls and the Saints have had the fewest picks in the NFL. All teams have misses. More picks mean more chances at hits.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:26 pm to BlacknGold
Not just a proven vet
...An all pro proven vet
...An all pro proven vet
Posted on 4/10/17 at 6:28 pm to mitchleger
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The Patriots are not willing to pay him more than 7 million per year. They are willing to pay Gilmore and possibly Richard Sherman big money but not Butler.
So much wrong with this entire statement. They didn't want to pay him more than 7 million before the beginning of last season. He was still not considered a top 15 CB and had two years of bargain basement dollars left, why would they offer him 14 million a season at that point?
The Sherman stuff looks like the Pats were doing due diligence on the trade market and it blew up media wise because it was the Pats.
If anything, him not signing his tender would worry me a bit. It makes zero sense on his end, and adds fuel to the fire that his agent is insanely out of his depth.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 6:30 pm to VA LSU fan
Damn dude, you are a fricking genious! Exactly what I was thinking.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:39 am to Jcorye1
If the Patriots were willing to pay him what the Saints were willing to pay him then why wouldn't they just do it? Why trade him to the Saints? Why pay another corner 14 million per year? So much about this makes you go ?????????????
Posted on 4/11/17 at 12:58 pm to mitchleger
Because the Patriots want a 1st round pick from the Saints.....People were melting on here everytime someone brought it up. Did they actually think the Patriots were going to settle for a 2nd round or later pick?
Thats not the Patriots way.
Thats not the Patriots way.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:02 pm to GynoSandberg
Give me Tredavious White at 32 and tell the Pats to F off.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:10 pm to Jcorye1
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nything, him not signing his tender would worry me a bit. It makes zero sense on his end, and adds fuel to the fire that his agent is insanely out of his depth.
Because a guy who is running out of prime years wants to play for more than 4m after seeing guys not as accomplished as him get 3x that and more? He's made very little compared to his peers and his career could be over on one play. Seems to make quite a bit of sense. Obviously I see the pats side as well but I think it's a bit unfairto say it makes zero sense for him not to try and get legit financial security.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:43 pm to St Augustine
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Because a guy who is running out of prime years wants to play for more than 4m after seeing guys not as accomplished as him get 3x that and more? He's made very little compared to his peers and his career could be over on one play. Seems to make quite a bit of sense. Obviously I see the pats side as well but I think it's a bit unfairto say it makes zero sense for him not to try and get legit financial security
He has to sign his tender to basically do anything. The Patriots literally cannot even discuss trading him until he signs it. Refusing to sign a tender in this situation makes zero sense.
I have zero problem with him going to other teams and trying to get them to trade a first round pick. I think it's hilarious that he doesn't understand the difference between a FA and a UFA, but that's an issue on his end.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:19 pm to Jcorye1
I hear you. Honestly you'd have to imagine a lot of it is pride. I think he's absolutely trying to drum up someone giving up the 1st and get the sure fire contract as he can always sign tender at last minute and then pursue trade. I mean it's got to suck to know you have such a tiny window of max earning potential and watch dudes who haven't had near the success you have had break the bank.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:23 pm to GynoSandberg
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4 out of the 5 seasons are 7-9. We've wasted a lot of Brees while trying to "win now".
personally, I don't count 2012.
that was a wash before the season started.
Trading Jimmy Graham for Unger has been an even trade alone I think. Jimmy hasn't been the difference maker for them so far like he was with the Saints. But he's still been effective enough (injury time missed aside) to hold some value there. Unger has been solid I think and maybe they missed him up there in Seattle too cause their O-line isn't so terrific currently.
The extra pick at the end of the 1st Round we acquired hasn't panned out so well (Anthony) so far.. and from the looks of it will not. Hoping for some strange luck there in Year 3 but he might be a cut after camp if he doesn't come ready to play.
struck out on the Byrd signing in 2014 though.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:18 pm to mitchleger
I hear you. Everyone thinks they can outsmart the Patriots.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 7:21 am to mitchleger
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If the Patriots were willing to pay him what the Saints were willing to pay him then why wouldn't they just do it? Why trade him to the Saints? Why pay another corner 14 million per year? So much about this makes you go ?????????????
That's how you end up in salary cap hell.
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:37 pm to Fun Bunch
It's amazing how much ignorant people hate on Ingram. He just averaged 5.1 yards per carry last year, ran for 1000 yards, caught 46 balls and had 10 total TDs - while playing less than 50% of the snaps. Last four years he averaged 4.9, 4.3, 4.6, and 5.1 ypc.
Just let the dude actually play!
LSU homers just can't let the Bama hate go...
Just let the dude actually play!
LSU homers just can't let the Bama hate go...
Posted on 4/12/17 at 9:57 pm to mitchleger
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It makes no sense to give up a 1st round pick this year for a player that we can sign for no compensation next year
They can franchise tag him
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If the Patriots were willing to pay him what the Saints were willing to pay him then why wouldn't they just do it?
Because they have him by the balls due to the tender and then the franchise tag. They can either move him or assets, or get him for much cheaper with little risk the next 2 years
This post was edited on 4/12/17 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 4/13/17 at 11:53 pm to blueslover
I was watching espn at a bar and they were talking about the draft saying the Saints were on the clock. I couldn't hear the audio because it was a bar but they had a captain saying that Butler was traded for pick 32 and 110. Was that just make believe?
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