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Loomis on Pass Rushers
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:06 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:06 am
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How much did you guys ponder a pass rusher until you took one?
"There were guys that we had our eye on and man they started going and it seemed like the guys that we talked about and value that we were at they just weren't there each pick and so it's just the way it fell."
I think you guys have labeled the edge rusher position as a must two offseasons in a row but haven't signed a free agent to a long-term contract or selected one with a high draft pick; are you hard to please at that position?
"We've talked about it and there are guys and that's just the way that it has fell. It is not that we are not looking. It is not that we don't evaluate the players for what they can provide us, we do. There's been a lot of good ones. It just hasn't fallen to the point that we feel really good about taking a particular player at a particular spot. You cannot force those things. That is just the outcome. We only have seven picks in a given draft and you kind of have to take it the way it comes sometimes. We've tried to make trades before. We've tried to trade up at times but it just hasn't worked out."
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:16 am to bonethug0108
Lattimore and KC saved this board from a huge melt:
quote:
One of your war room guests revealed that you guys loved Patrick Mahomes. Is it possible that, especially if Lattimore wasn't there, that you could have taken a quarterback with the 11th pick in this draft?
"I would say that was possible, yeah. But, you know once Lattimore is available to us, there wasn't much of a decision to make. But we did like Patrick Mahomes a lot, and I think that's a very good pick by Kansas City."
Is that kind of a... I mean we've talked to you about the quarterback theory for years that you might have taken a guy at 11 because that's your guy, but you could also go three rounds without forcing it. Is that kind of a perfect example of the one guy that sort of tempted you this year?
"Yeah, I would say that's right."
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 3:18 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:27 am to bonethug0108
quote:Then maybe it's time to replace Loomis.
We've talked about it and there are guys and that's just the way that it has fell. It is not that we are not looking. It is not that we don't evaluate the players for what they can provide us, we do. There's been a lot of good ones. It just hasn't fallen to the point that we feel really good about taking a particular player at a particular spot. You cannot force those things.
Patriots come in and grab DE Derek Rivers 7 spots after Saints pick at #76. Value different between #76 and #83 is negligible. I'll reach to say Patriots have a much better track record of success than Saints.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 3:29 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:33 am to drizztiger
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Patriots have a much better track record of success than Saints.
Or you know, everyone.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:45 am to Sauce Castieaux
Yeah, the fact that Rivers went 7 spots after the pass rushing starved Saints picked tells me all I need to know about our "evaluations". To be fair, the only pick that I truly did not understand was Anzalone. I think every pick made sense excpet for that one and that is only because he cannot stay on the field.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 3:50 am to drizztiger
The Pats and Saints aren't going to have the same board.
And all we have to go on is the "experts" or actually looking into these guys ourselves (which let's face it, none of us are pros). Just because Mayock says something, as much as I trust his opinion, doesn't make it gospel.
Also the Pats percentage wise are actually on the lower end of draft success. They "win" with numbers.
Surprisingly we are on the high end percentage wise, but by far the worst with number of picks. Basically the opposite of the Pats.
And all we have to go on is the "experts" or actually looking into these guys ourselves (which let's face it, none of us are pros). Just because Mayock says something, as much as I trust his opinion, doesn't make it gospel.
Also the Pats percentage wise are actually on the lower end of draft success. They "win" with numbers.
Surprisingly we are on the high end percentage wise, but by far the worst with number of picks. Basically the opposite of the Pats.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 3:53 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 4:06 am to bonethug0108
quote:Completely irrelevant.
The Pats and Saints aren't going to have the same board.
Regardless, the Patriots are an example. Your absolute refusal to acknowledge Saints failure overall to have a 39-41 record last 5 seasons, 1 playoff appearance and 10th percentile defense is frustrating. It's like arguing with a child. You know one point of view and can't grasp any thought beyond that narrative.
Patriots are wrong, Mayock is wrong, other pundits are wrong, Saints lack of success isn't real, the 10th percentile defense isn't true - it's you, bonethug018 that is right.
Mickey justifies his teams lack of addressing a huge need with urgency, so therefore gospel. He right. But just in case he's wrong, EDGE wasn't really a big deal anyway. Cover them bases man.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 4:13 am to drizztiger
I didn't say any of that or anything close or implying that. You are literally reading into some narrative you are creating in your head about me.
But pass rush was not the only issue and wasn't the biggest issue. The secondary needed some top end (as does the pass rush) and was worse than the pass rush last year, just like in 2014. Better coverage (longer than the 2.5 second average the rush was given last year) was very sorely needed.
It would have been wonderful to get Lattimore and Barnett. Or even Tak. But the fact is we only had a chance to get one. Everyone else may not have even started, no matter how much we liked them (I liked Willis). Reality is most of these picks, especially outside the top 20, don't start for at least a year if ever.
But pass rush was not the only issue and wasn't the biggest issue. The secondary needed some top end (as does the pass rush) and was worse than the pass rush last year, just like in 2014. Better coverage (longer than the 2.5 second average the rush was given last year) was very sorely needed.
It would have been wonderful to get Lattimore and Barnett. Or even Tak. But the fact is we only had a chance to get one. Everyone else may not have even started, no matter how much we liked them (I liked Willis). Reality is most of these picks, especially outside the top 20, don't start for at least a year if ever.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 4:13 am to bonethug0108
The way Loomis makes this sound is as if none of them were good enough in their eyes. I love Marcus Williams but at 42, I would have put money on us running to the podium for DE Jordan Willis.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 4:20 am to knowingabyss
Apparently if you read the wording today and yesterday, none of these DEs were rated around 42. Tak was the last one at 32. Barnett at 11. Neither scenario played in our favor (aside from getting the top CB).
I think they were hoping for Willis to fall to 76, but I imagine they had almost all of them with a third round grade (again reading all the phrasing), and that there were enough in number not to reach, which in the end we got a guy that wasn't much of a fall of from Willis.
I think they were hoping for Willis to fall to 76, but I imagine they had almost all of them with a third round grade (again reading all the phrasing), and that there were enough in number not to reach, which in the end we got a guy that wasn't much of a fall of from Willis.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 4:21 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 4:33 am to bonethug0108
Removed. Have a good night bone.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 4:44 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 4:47 am to bonethug0108
Saints pick Anzalone at 76, then 4 of the next 7 picks were DEs.
As good as Anzalone can be, he has too many injury concerns to take him over Rivers, Basham, or Williams, especially when the Saints NEED another DE to rush the QB. They could have taken Beckwith or Trey Hendrickson with their 103rd pick. Beck has been injured too, but they would have had one of these 3 DEs.
The Saints have many holes to fill. DE has been the largest hole for 2 years. They have to weigh the need versus the player rating versus player injury history. They do not have the luxury of selecting the BPA with every pick.
As good as Anzalone can be, he has too many injury concerns to take him over Rivers, Basham, or Williams, especially when the Saints NEED another DE to rush the QB. They could have taken Beckwith or Trey Hendrickson with their 103rd pick. Beck has been injured too, but they would have had one of these 3 DEs.
The Saints have many holes to fill. DE has been the largest hole for 2 years. They have to weigh the need versus the player rating versus player injury history. They do not have the luxury of selecting the BPA with every pick.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 5:03 am to djmicrobe
If you have one player rated as a top 15, and your next DE is rated third round (evaluation right or wrong it's the eval) you absolutely do not force for need.
I am very puzzled by 76. Seems like they would have liked one around there. My only guess is maybe they had 10 DEs all bunched together and let it play out while taking a guy they had rated higher (again right or wrong).
In that situation you stick with your board.
The draft just feel very funky for it. Lattimore falls, Tak and Willis just before two other picks, higher rated players at other picks (again right or wrong).
But again aside from Barnett and Tak none of the others would be a sure thing to be an upgrade (and I question Tak a bit too but still would have liked him).
As much as I like Willis I can't say he would be an immediate upgrade. He has some flaws to overcome before he even gets a pass rush role, as did most players after the first.
Possible upgrade? Yeah. Definite? No and you don't reach if you aren't sure that guy is better. You stick with your board (again right or wrong).
I am very puzzled by 76. Seems like they would have liked one around there. My only guess is maybe they had 10 DEs all bunched together and let it play out while taking a guy they had rated higher (again right or wrong).
In that situation you stick with your board.
The draft just feel very funky for it. Lattimore falls, Tak and Willis just before two other picks, higher rated players at other picks (again right or wrong).
But again aside from Barnett and Tak none of the others would be a sure thing to be an upgrade (and I question Tak a bit too but still would have liked him).
As much as I like Willis I can't say he would be an immediate upgrade. He has some flaws to overcome before he even gets a pass rush role, as did most players after the first.
Possible upgrade? Yeah. Definite? No and you don't reach if you aren't sure that guy is better. You stick with your board (again right or wrong).
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:07 am to bonethug0108
We shoulda went defense at 32 and pocic at 42 them marcus williams at 73 but the 49 pulled a bihh move and jumped us for foster so they went what they felt ot.. Not my choice but we gotta live with it and hoped forvda best... Ruben said 49ers called while he was on the phone with saints.. He shoulda clicked back over and told them something and we coulda made a trade smh and his gf from baton rouge
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:16 am to BlackTiger89
Pocic? We have a center baw
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:21 am to Elleshoe
The off season is far from over folks. Trades can still occur and once preseason starts there will be released players available. I am far from ready to get on the piss wagon regarding this draft.
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