re: Is Brees really worth the money he's paid?

Since the meltdown is in full force...

One day, I believe Jimmy Graham will look down from the podium in Canton and thank Sean Payton and Drew Brees for their part in getting him there. He is a speacial, once in a lifetime talent... and he's the Saints #1 receiving threat. The one guy we can count on the get separation and make plays is your TE. Let that sink in for a moment.

With Jimmy drawing double teams on almost every play, you would think Colston would be having a career year? Nope. Barring a couple of really big games, he wont make 1000yds this season despite staying healthy for most of it. Lance Moore has been strangly absent. Kenny Stills will be on one game, then be non existent the next. Two of your top 4 playmakers in yds from scrimmage are your running backs.

And yet, Drew is only 500yds away from 5000 yds on the year. Again. Only 6 people in NFL history have thrown for 5000 yds. Drew owns half of that list. In a year where not a single WR on our team is earning their paychecks, Drew Brees is about to throw for 5000 yds again. Drew is having a great year. Hes completing 68% of his passes. And he's doing it with guys that are just not getting open. The window that Drew has to throw the ball through is super small this season, and he's doing it 70% of the time. If Drew makes it through the next two games with no picks, it would've been the second lowest int total of his career.


There are glaring issues with this offense. The line needs new blood. We need a playmaker at WR. We've got to lock up Jimmy long term. But folks, Drew Brees aint the problem.

He's no Matt Ryan that's for sure.

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You are asking the wrong question. The answer to yours is yes because that's the market for his level of QB in the NFL. The proper question... Is the QB position so important you need to spend that much money. Teams are locking down too high a percentage of the salary cap on one player IMO. I don't blame the GM's because there would be hell to pay if any of those QB's walked out the door, someone is going to pay them what they want. Paying that much for one position makes winning much harder as you can't really spend elsewhere.

Look at the salaries, on average, of the SB winners. Typically it is QB's before they really cash in. Seattle is the favorite to win this year with a QB on his rookie contract. Once these guys get paid, you start either losing elite players, Nicks, replacing good players with poor replacements, Goodwin for De la Puente, and being handicapped on who you can sign in FA. It all then depends on the draft. It worked before with guys like Evans, Bushrod (can't believe I miss him) and Nicks. We've absolutely struck out on Charles Brown, Armstead isn't ready, and we haven't gotten a good pick in at C. I think our guards, obviously Evans is great, are plenty good enough. Brown and Strief desperately need to be upgraded.

So basically we had to pay an elite QB because we would have lost him otherwise. Our only chance at winning is by drafting extremely well to provide him with proper weapons. We are doing much better on drafting D, we need to really hit on the offensive side. You can win paying out the arse for an elite QB. I just think it is much more difficult as you have to depend on your evaluation of college players. If you miss on a position in the draft, especially Oline and WR, your elite QB is going to look like shite.

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Paying that much for one position makes winning much harder as you can't really spend elsewhere.

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I'd argue that the teams with elite QB's are in better position to win than the teams without them. I'd much rather have 100Mil invested in Brees/Manning/Brady than Joe Flacco.

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Look at the salaries, on average, of the SB winners. Typically it is QB's before they really cash in.

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The last ten years Superbowls have been won by:
- Brady 2
- Roethlesberger
- P. Manning
- E.Manning 2
- Brees
- Rodgers
- Flacco

Both Eli and Flacco used the SB victory to cash in on deals. The rest of that list is pretty elite.

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It all then depends on the draft

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I'd argue that the game is changing, and you've got a lot more players ready to contribute the second they set foot on the pro field.

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I just think it is much more difficult as you have to depend on your evaluation of college players. If you miss on a position in the draft, especially Oline and WR, your elite QB is going to look like shite.

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Drew Brees has managed to look pretty damn good with a hodgepodge receiving corps the last couple of years. Imagine how good Brees would be with Megatron or Fitz lining up at wideout?

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It's going to be a rude awakening for some folks when #9 retires.

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For real.

I both dread and strangely look forward to it.

(The looking forward to it part is so that maybe, these idiots will appreciate what they had, finally)

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some of his decisions to force throws into double coverages baffles me for a QB of his level.

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And some of the great plays he makes are those same forces. This is nothing new. The first year he came here my initial reaction to his forces was "Who does he think he is, Dan Marino?" It didn't take long for me to stop questioning and start appreciating. It's a double edged sword, but Brees is able to wield it to our advantage much more often than he kills us with it.

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I'd much rather have 100Mil invested in Brees/Manning/Brady than Joe Flacco.

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Absolutely. Just saying it makes having a complete team more difficult.

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Both Eli and Flacco used the SB victory to cash in on deals. The rest of that list is pretty elite.

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Yes, but it was before they were making 100 million a year.

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I'd argue that the game is changing, and you've got a lot more players ready to contribute the second they set foot on the pro field.

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I agree. We have just missed on extremely important positions. Oline being the biggest. I would rather Orlando Franklin than Mark Ingram right now. We can't afford these misses.

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Drew Brees has managed to look pretty damn good with a hodgepodge receiving corps the last couple of years. Imagine how good Brees would be with Megatron or Fitz lining up at wideout?

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That hodgepodge receiving corps now lacks a deep threat, and it's best producers, Colston and Moore are losing a step.

Anyone know the average time for Brees to throw as compared to 2009? I would be willing to bet it's significantly higher. Either Brees is taking longer to make a decision, doubtful, or his receivers aren't getting open in time for him to make the throws. Add in the fact that we are weak at 3 positions on the OL, and it's not a winning recipe.

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That hodgepodge receiving corps now lacks a deep threat, and it's best producers, Colston and Moore are losing a step.

Anyone know the average time for Brees to throw as compared to 2009? I would be willing to bet it's significantly higher. Either Brees is taking longer to make a decision, doubtful, or his receivers aren't getting open in time for him to make the throws. Add in the fact that we are weak at 3 positions on the OL, and it's not a winning recipe.

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Stills is really the best we have, I'll bet he has more of a ceiling than anyone in our division. Morgan is unproven and injured. If we picked Meachem back up, who couldn't hack it in San Diego, that speaks volumes about where our receivers are tbh. Colston is still relevant because of his size. Toon really shat the bed against the Jets, he has a huge hole to dig himself out of before he gets trusted with another opportunity. I really hope they get a burner this off-season, whether in the draft or FA.

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I really hope they get a burner this off-season, whether in the draft or FA.

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If by some chance Jarvis Landry was there in the second...

And thats not being a homer. Playmaking WR with a good motor, great hands, and Drew Brees at QB? Yes please.