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re: Interesting read on Ryan's 3-4 Hybrid.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 12:34 pm to Hoodoo Man
Posted on 2/10/13 at 12:34 pm to Hoodoo Man
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has he ever dealt with a defense with such a paucity of talent?
Has anyone??? Worst defense ever, there is nowhere to go but up...everyone needs to sit back & give Ryan a chance to show what he can do...
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Posted on 2/10/13 at 1:12 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The strongside ILB is in charge of the A and B gaps on the right side in the run game. In the passing game, he will be covering a mid zone and rarely blitzing.
Like the article. Would rather see Lofton or Hawthorne here though.
This post was edited on 2/10/13 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 2/10/13 at 1:14 pm to monroesaintsfan
And? What's your point? That would probably be Lofton. He doesn't blitz a lot anyway.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 1:20 pm to Patrick O Rly
My point is that going by the responsibilities of each of the lb's as quoted, I could see Wilson shining at any of them but probably least so at strongside ilb.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 1:26 pm to monroesaintsfan
Well yeah. He would be wasted there. He needs to be the outside rush linebacker.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 1:44 pm to Patrick O Rly
In a scheme like this, I'b be curious as to what they could do with Galette. Has the guy ever played anything other than de? Can he pass cover or learn how or would he have to be the weakside olb because they're showing the strongside olb pass covering the tight end 80% of the time. I could see Hawthorn as a better fit there.
This post was edited on 2/10/13 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 2/10/13 at 2:03 pm to monroesaintsfan
I don't think Hawthorne is much of a pass rusher. His natural positions are MLB and WLB. He played SLB last year, but not because he wanted to.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 2:06 pm to Hoodoo Man
he has been in cleveland who has no offense of any kind and they where very good on defense. Then he went to dallas and yes they could put up points they put their defense horrible positions alot and the ints return for tds weren't on the def. He comes to da saints and he has brees and his offense that will not only put up points but if he can hold other teams to atleast 21 points we have a great chance to go 13-3 or atleast 11-5.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 2:17 pm to Patrick O Rly
No to Galette on experience. Yes in that everything about him from his stature to performance screams he would be a better 3-4OLB
Agree on Hawthorne inside only.
When ya step back & look at the players you can understand what Payton saw- cloth made more for 3-4...
Galette/Wilson- both not stout enough for 4-3DE and not mobile enough for 4-3 OLB. Their skill sets match a 3-4OLB
Lofton/Hawthorne- two solid starting 3-4ILBs skill set wise again- whether they ever played 3-4 or not
Cameron Jordan came on strong but prolly would be no more than a solid LDE in a 4-3. He was a great college 3-4DE and could have All Pro potential there.
Hicks- Yes, still very raw but the pure talent was undeniable. Well, I'll say that is one thing Spags did deny. After playoff elimination he should have been getting maximum snaps over all but gone Ellis. He had strong 4-3DT outlook but slides to strongside DE in a 3-4 perfectly IMO
Bunkley is my biggest question. He isn't prototypical 3-4NT by any means. Certainly can rotate. Wonder if he might actually do 3-4DE better.
Agree on Hawthorne inside only.
When ya step back & look at the players you can understand what Payton saw- cloth made more for 3-4...
Galette/Wilson- both not stout enough for 4-3DE and not mobile enough for 4-3 OLB. Their skill sets match a 3-4OLB
Lofton/Hawthorne- two solid starting 3-4ILBs skill set wise again- whether they ever played 3-4 or not
Cameron Jordan came on strong but prolly would be no more than a solid LDE in a 4-3. He was a great college 3-4DE and could have All Pro potential there.
Hicks- Yes, still very raw but the pure talent was undeniable. Well, I'll say that is one thing Spags did deny. After playoff elimination he should have been getting maximum snaps over all but gone Ellis. He had strong 4-3DT outlook but slides to strongside DE in a 3-4 perfectly IMO
Bunkley is my biggest question. He isn't prototypical 3-4NT by any means. Certainly can rotate. Wonder if he might actually do 3-4DE better.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 2:20 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I don't think Hawthorne is much of a pass rusher
Yeah, I don't believe he is either. That's why I was speculating about the strongside olb. The scheme quoted had this position rarely pass rushing. It actually shows the weakside ilb doing more pass rush.
By the way, as another poster stated this is Rex Ryan's scheme. And as interesting and fun as it is to speculate on, is Rob's much different? I don't keep up with the Cowboys other than wishing them losses so I don't really know.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:26 pm to monroesaintsfan
Two guys already on the roster who don't get mentioned much with the D change are Tom Johnson and Tyrunn Walker. Both have good size for 3-4 de's. But can they play there? If so, that could free up Hicks to possibly do some nt.
One thing about Johnson, if he doesn't fit in the new system he'd be attractive to a lot of 4-3 teams looking for a 3 tech. Trade bait, maybe?
One thing about Johnson, if he doesn't fit in the new system he'd be attractive to a lot of 4-3 teams looking for a 3 tech. Trade bait, maybe?
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:34 pm to blueslover
One name I haven't seen is Casillas. I'm curious about where or whether he fits in.
I like the idea of possibly moving Wilson back inside because if he's good there, then we can seriously upgrade our team speed. Which brings us back to a guy like Casillas. If he can function as an ILB, then Wilson can go outside (or vice versa) and we are faster on D.
Or we can get some solid free agents/draft picks in the LBs...
I like the idea of possibly moving Wilson back inside because if he's good there, then we can seriously upgrade our team speed. Which brings us back to a guy like Casillas. If he can function as an ILB, then Wilson can go outside (or vice versa) and we are faster on D.
Or we can get some solid free agents/draft picks in the LBs...
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:35 pm to monroesaintsfan
Tom Johnson was a 5 tech in Canada. We'll see how it translates.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:36 pm to Sophandros
Casillas will be a loss with the switch to 3-4 but Martez at ILB with less 'thinking' may be just what he needs to get on the field.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:39 pm to blueslover
quote:Hicks is the person i'm most curious about. Where will Ryan use him in the 3-4?
Hicks- Yes, still very raw but the pure talent was undeniable. Well, I'll say that is one thing Spags did deny. After playoff elimination he should have been getting maximum snaps over all but gone Ellis. He had strong 4-3DT outlook but slides to strongside DE in a 3-4 perfectly IMO
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:39 pm to HMTVBrian2
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Tom Johnson was a 5 tech in Canada
I didn't know that. Then at the very least the team will have one good, reliable back-up de.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:41 pm to Sophandros
I think Casillas is a free agent and a little lite in the arse to play lb in the 3-4. I actually think he could drop some weight and play FS.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:47 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I think Casillas is a free agent and a little lite in the arse to play lb in the 3-4. I actually think he could drop some weight and play FS
I've wondered if there were any possibility of a change for him myself. I just speculated on SS. He's way faster than Harper even at the size he is now and couldn't be much worse in coverage. But does he have the savvy for either?
Posted on 2/10/13 at 3:48 pm to Patrick O Rly
Casillas looks like an odd man out in the "Who can adapt to our new 3-4?" question. He could prolly start some 4-3WLB for some trash teams.
Posted on 2/10/13 at 4:24 pm to Sophandros
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I like the idea of possibly moving Wilson back inside because if he's good there, then we can seriously upgrade our team speed.
I thought that was his natural position coming out of college.
When he was a rookie for the Saints back in 2011, he was an effective blitzer when GW finally started to let him get some playing time towards the end of the year. I'd like to see him move back to the inside as well. I'm not so sure that the coaches he has played for have really figured out where to use him. Maybe Ryan will have a better idea with what to do with him.
I mean could Lofton or Hawthorne be all that effective blitzing? I don't really remember seeing Hawthorne being cut loose on blitzes in Spags defense, but I guess being hurt a lot of the year had to with that. Same thing with Lofton, I do remember a few plays where he blitzed but it just wasn't that often.. I don't think so anyway???
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