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re: Ingram Recruiting Haters
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:07 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 4/11/14 at 9:07 pm to Chad504boy
I missed you, Chad. 
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Posted on 4/11/14 at 10:34 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I don't think desire was ever a problem. I think health and mentally picking up the game where his main problems.
We hear you, but please hear us....playing and producing HALF of a season is not what we expect from NFL rb's taken as high as he was and paid damn well.
He gets beat out by lower picks or free agents on the reg.....it's surely not our fault, the coaches see it as well.
People act like we should worship him when he does anything along the lines of what was expected of him.
If he has 1000+ yds next year, I will cheer the loudest, it's what he is paid to do.
But if we lose him to other nagging injuries for 1/4-1/2 of the season, then he is NOT worth the money.....sorry, the NFL is a business.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:04 pm to deuce985
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It's as if this place forgot he was a 1st round pick. The dude is a pure NFL bust to this point. That's not up for debate. He hasn't come close to playing to the potential of a 1st rounder.
It has nothing to do with the dude is from Bama. If he was consistent and productive not a single fricking Saints fan would care where he came from. The fact of the matter is he goes on Twitter makes stupid comments like this and lacks a consistent career for the Saints so far. He then translates the attitude he has behind Twitter on the field when he finally gets a half decent run he wants to spike the ball selfishly and hurt his team with penalties. His demeanor does him no favors in the eyes of the fan. He's been nothing short of a disappointment and had several nagging injuries with us. He's arguably the weakest power back on our team too who consistently runs in the arse of his offensive lineman and falls backwards. The reason he lacks TDs is because Sean Payton figured out he's just not that powerful on the goal, period. Payton learned quickly to stop feeding the ball to this guy when he kept getting stuffed on those 3rd and shorts or goal situations. He had 3 good games all year and 2 of those were against the worst defense in the league and a mediocre one. He then comes back in a Seattle game and has a critical fumble. If he wants people to stop bashing him, play more consistent. It's that simple.
His inconsistency is why he continues to garner so much criticism. When he strings together a mostly productive season then maybe people will get off his back. I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong if the guy does what he's expected to do this season.
Such a pile of biased bullshite.
Funny thing is you make zero attempt to try and hide it. First off, no SAINTS fan gives a frick where he comes from. Thats LSU dickbags such as yourself. You wreak of this. Second, who gives a frick what he says on twitter? Matters about as much as the dumb shite Brees says, Jimmy, Junior, etc. Spiking the ball after a great run (thats right, I said great in place of your "half decent" weak shite) selfishly and hurting the team? Really? You mean how Jimmy Graham does after every fricking play as he flexes and screams "frick" in the defenders face? How about Junior or Jordan or Hicks and Co going apeshit after a sack or tackle for a loss? Oh wait. That's different I guess. Take your unabashed, college biased, 3rd grade agenda somewhere else son. It bleeds through every sentence of every post you make. You aint foolin anyone here.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:20 pm to whodatfan
All the players you just mention are consistently good... soo them celebrating I have no problem with, but when Ingram who hasn't done shite gets 10 yards and then spikes the ball then yea that dumb as frick.
Posted on 4/11/14 at 11:55 pm to Isaid
I guess y'all are gonna keep running this topic into the damn ground over and over again
I hope he rushes for 1300 yds with 15 TDs so all of y'all will STFU
I hope he rushes for 1300 yds with 15 TDs so all of y'all will STFU
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:09 am to Isaid
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All the players you just mention are consistently good... soo them celebrating I have no problem with, but when Ingram who hasn't done shite gets 10 yards and then spikes the ball then yea that dumb as frick.
He's making plays on the field and celebrating at the end. There is no difference, no matter the player doing it. You chosing to make it a difference is nothing but agenda based.
I never said the guy was the second coming of jesus. But in my unbiased opinion of the subject, I see the heavy biased hatred based on immature rhetoric of where this guy played his college career.
You want to drop an opinion on a players production with hard numbers? Fine. Visiting his alma matter on gameday, twitter blurbs, celebrating after a play, just fricking smiling for fricks sake, not so much. Just be hones and admit it. Most of the negativity comes from where he went to school. I agree he hasnt been all world from what it cost to get him, but blame his price on Payton and Mickey. At least the guy had produced in the second half of the season and seems to be showing positive healthy potential. Hes never going to be emmit smith in this offense so temper your expectations. He may never fulfill his draft cost, but he plays for the black and gold and Im hoping he has a breakout season.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:19 am to whodatfan
Where Duece at man
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:47 am to deuce985
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It's as if this place forgot he was a 1st round pick. The dude is a pure NFL bust to this point. That's not up for debate. He hasn't come close to playing to the potential of a 1st rounder.
No we don't forget when Ingram has a bad game you guys bring it up and when he does have a good game all you guys say is "well he had 4 bad games before". A player's 1st rounder potential is based off of what a team values him to be. He should have gone in the 2nd round that year, but we deemed him worthy of a pick. That isn't his fault he went there, much like it isn't Bruce Irvin's fault he got picked that early or Brandon Weeden's fault. Hell, how about Meachem? He's pretty average at best for an even higher 1st round pick than Ingram
Do you understand what a bust is?
Ryan leaf was a bust
Johnathan Sullivan was a bust
Ingram is underperforming, but far from a bust. His career average is 4.1ypc and 1 fumble in his reg season career.
Trent Richardson who was drafted 3rd has a 3.3ypc average - that is a HUGE bust then right?
Do you consider Marshawn Lynch a bust? I mean his 1st 3 seasons he averaged 4ypc and lost 3 fumbles (12th overall pick).
You guys cloud your judgement because of what he does in his free time? The guy spikes the ball selfishly and hurts the team? iirc, that spike was a delay of game penalty, 5 yards, and we still scored a TD that drive. His demeanor gives him no fans? How? He's had a damn monkey (fans disapproving) on him since day 1 and its not like playing in the NFL is hard, lets also have these fans analyze your every mistake and make it out to be HUGE.
He's never been a power back, no one even thought he was if they watched him. His lack of rushing TDs? Mark Ingram - 11 in the past 3 years, Pierre Thomas - 8 in the past 3 years, and Darren Sproles - 5 in the past 3 years. Damn. What the frick?
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He had 3 good games all year and 2 of those were against the worst defense in the league and a mediocre one. He then comes back in a Seattle game and has a critical fumble. If he wants people to stop bashing him, play more consistent. It's that simple.
3 good games all year and 2 were against the worst defense?
You mean 4: Dallas, Sea, Philly, and Carolina
1. He outperformed PT against Dallas, but yes they were horrible defensively
2. 13 rushes for 83 yards against #2 defense Carolina in shitty weather conditions. Bad game alright, he surely costed them there.
3. #10 ranked run defense Philly he averaged 5.4ypc
4. #8 ranked run defense Seattle he averaged 4.9ypc and had a fumble which he RARELY ever does. (2 fumbles in his whole career, including playoffs)
yeah such horrible games. Unless you're saying philly is a horrible run defense because the response is: teams averaged only 3.77ypc against philly. Seattle teams averaged 3.86ypc and carolina 3.95ypc. In every game, he averaged more than what the season average was.
He's inconsistent is because we rotate backs like a madman and when he's in, its a run 3/4 of the time. Watch the SoundFX against philly. Ingram goes in and Connor Barwin said, "eh Ingram is in, watch the run watch the run"
I wonder fricking WHY he meets a DT's face behind the line of scrimmage. His fault right?
You damn LSU homers need to just keep your arse in the rant and leave unbiased saints talk to people who actually provide facts.
Has he been underperforming as a player? Yes.
Has he shown flashes he can be a good player? Yes.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:51 am to htran90
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3. #10 ranked run defense Philly he averaged 5.4ypc
I still the think the Eagles game plan was centered slowing down the Saints passing attack.
they didn't seem to make any real adjustments that whole game.
it was beautiful.
I don't give a shite how we get the yards.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:51 am to htran90
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It's as if this place forgot he was a 1st round pick. The dude is a pure NFL bust to this point. That's not up for debate. He hasn't come close to playing to the potential of a 1st rounder.
No we don't forget when Ingram has a bad game you guys bring it up and when he does have a good game all you guys say is "well he had 4 bad games before". A player's 1st rounder potential is based off of what a team values him to be. He should have gone in the 2nd round that year, but we deemed him worthy of a pick. That isn't his fault he went there, much like it isn't Bruce Irvin's fault he got picked that early or Brandon Weeden's fault. Hell, how about Meachem? He's pretty average at best for an even higher 1st round pick than Ingram
Do you understand what a bust is?
Ryan leaf was a bust
Johnathan Sullivan was a bust
Ingram is underperforming, but far from a bust. His career average is 4.1ypc and 1 fumble in his reg season career.
Trent Richardson who was drafted 3rd has a 3.3ypc average - that is a HUGE bust then right?
Do you consider Marshawn Lynch a bust? I mean his 1st 3 seasons he averaged 4ypc and lost 3 fumbles (12th overall pick).
You guys cloud your judgement because of what he does in his free time? The guy spikes the ball selfishly and hurts the team? iirc, that spike was a delay of game penalty, 5 yards, and we still scored a TD that drive. His demeanor gives him no fans? How? He's had a damn monkey (fans disapproving) on him since day 1 and its not like playing in the NFL is hard, lets also have these fans analyze your every mistake and make it out to be HUGE.
He's never been a power back, no one even thought he was if they watched him. His lack of rushing TDs? Mark Ingram - 11 in the past 3 years, Pierre Thomas - 8 in the past 3 years, and Darren Sproles - 5 in the past 3 years. Damn. What the frick?
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He had 3 good games all year and 2 of those were against the worst defense in the league and a mediocre one. He then comes back in a Seattle game and has a critical fumble. If he wants people to stop bashing him, play more consistent. It's that simple.
3 good games all year and 2 were against the worst defense?
You mean 4: Dallas, Sea, Philly, and Carolina
1. He outperformed PT against Dallas, but yes they were horrible defensively
2. 13 rushes for 83 yards against #2 defense Carolina in shitty weather conditions. Bad game alright, he surely costed them there.
3. #10 ranked run defense Philly he averaged 5.4ypc
4. #8 ranked run defense Seattle he averaged 4.9ypc and had a fumble which he RARELY ever does. (2 fumbles in his whole career, including playoffs)
yeah such horrible games. Unless you're saying philly is a horrible run defense because the response is: teams averaged only 3.77ypc against philly. Seattle teams averaged 3.86ypc and carolina 3.95ypc. In every game, he averaged more than what the season average was.
He's inconsistent is because we rotate backs like a madman and when he's in, its a run 3/4 of the time. Watch the SoundFX against philly. Ingram goes in and Connor Barwin said, "eh Ingram is in, watch the run watch the run"
I wonder fricking WHY he meets a DT's face behind the line of scrimmage. His fault right?
You damn LSU homers need to just keep your arse in the rant and leave unbiased saints talk to people who actually provide facts.
Has he been underperforming as a player? Yes.
Has he shown flashes he can be a good player? Yes.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:08 am to saintsfan22
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If he was better they wouldn't use the other backs as much.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:08 am to Isaid
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get off the 4.9ypc bull shite. The man had 1 touchdown last year. fricking one in 11 games!! how is that productive.... o yea he tore it up against that vaunted Dallas Defense
He did a lot of work only for CSP to let someone else get the TD.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:12 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
How dare SP only worry about actually scoring the td by putting in a player with fresh legs. Padding stats for individual players is way more important.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:13 am to deuce985
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If he wants people to stop bashing him, play more consistent. It's that simple.
Except he doesn't want people to stop bashing him.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:21 am to Melvin
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How dare SP only worry about actually scoring the td by putting in a player with fresh legs. Padding stats for individual players is way more important.
Didn't say anything like that. Scoring the TD is more important, but don't act like Ingram's TD numbers this past season is his own fault. At Bama the same thing is done. The 1b/2nd back will do the work on a drive, and the top guy comes in and takes the TD inside the ten. Ingram/Richardson/Lacy/Yeldon have all done it in recent years. Richardson was most famous for it because Lacy would tear off runs and then in comes T-Rich for the TD.
It's common practice. But it isn't the other guy's fault he didn't get the easy TD someone else got.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:37 am to htran90
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Trent Richardson who was drafted 3rd has a 3.3ypc average - that is a HUGE bust then right?
Yes
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Do you consider Marshawn Lynch a bust? I mean his 1st 3 seasons he averaged 4ypc and lost 3 fumbles (12th overall pick).
He also had 2500+ yds, 18 TDs, and was a probowler one of those years.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 1:40 am to htran90
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No we don't forget when Ingram has a bad game you guys bring it up and when he does have a good game all you guys say is "well he had 4 bad games before". A player's 1st rounder potential is based off of what a team values him to be. He should have gone in the 2nd round that year, but we deemed him worthy of a pick. That isn't his fault he went there, much like it isn't Bruce Irvin's fault he got picked that early or Brandon Weeden's fault. Hell, how about Meachem? He's pretty average at best for an even higher 1st round pick than Ingram
Do you understand what a bust is?
Ryan leaf was a bust
Johnathan Sullivan was a bust
Ingram is underperforming, but far from a bust. His career average is 4.1ypc and 1 fumble in his reg season career.
Trent Richardson who was drafted 3rd has a 3.3ypc average - that is a HUGE bust then right?
Do you consider Marshawn Lynch a bust? I mean his 1st 3 seasons he averaged 4ypc and lost 3 fumbles (12th overall pick).
You guys cloud your judgement because of what he does in his free time? The guy spikes the ball selfishly and hurts the team? iirc, that spike was a delay of game penalty, 5 yards, and we still scored a TD that drive. His demeanor gives him no fans? How? He's had a damn monkey (fans disapproving) on him since day 1 and its not like playing in the NFL is hard, lets also have these fans analyze your every mistake and make it out to be HUGE.
He's never been a power back, no one even thought he was if they watched him. His lack of rushing TDs? Mark Ingram - 11 in the past 3 years, Pierre Thomas - 8 in the past 3 years, and Darren Sproles - 5 in the past 3 years. Damn. What the frick?
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He had 3 good games all year and 2 of those were against the worst defense in the league and a mediocre one. He then comes back in a Seattle game and has a critical fumble. If he wants people to stop bashing him, play more consistent. It's that simple.
3 good games all year and 2 were against the worst defense?
You mean 4: Dallas, Sea, Philly, and Carolina
1. He outperformed PT against Dallas, but yes they were horrible defensively
2. 13 rushes for 83 yards against #2 defense Carolina in shitty weather conditions. Bad game alright, he surely costed them there.
3. #10 ranked run defense Philly he averaged 5.4ypc
4. #8 ranked run defense Seattle he averaged 4.9ypc and had a fumble which he RARELY ever does. (2 fumbles in his whole career, including playoffs)
yeah such horrible games. Unless you're saying philly is a horrible run defense because the response is: teams averaged only 3.77ypc against philly. Seattle teams averaged 3.86ypc and carolina 3.95ypc. In every game, he averaged more than what the season average was.
He's inconsistent is because we rotate backs like a madman and when he's in, its a run 3/4 of the time. Watch the SoundFX against philly. Ingram goes in and Connor Barwin said, "eh Ingram is in, watch the run watch the run"
I wonder fricking WHY he meets a DT's face behind the line of scrimmage. His fault right?
You damn LSU homers need to just keep your arse in the rant and leave unbiased saints talk to people who actually provide facts.
Has he been underperforming as a player? Yes.
Has he shown flashes he can be a good player? Yes
Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:02 am to htran90
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LOTS of stuff
You've made me proud and I agree with it all.
I don't like or hate Ingram. I don't root for college teams and have no natural bias towards him from that. I root for him like all Saints players that are at least trying to play well(like frick Ellis and Brown but I still rooted for Shanle and Harper because they were at least trying).
When he was under performing I was disappointed. When he picked it up at the end of 2012 and when we fixed our line issues last year I was happy with his progress.
And the truth is he caught a LOT of shite this past season that wasn't his fault and I pointed it out several times. Both him and PT(Sproles ran mostly out of passing sets and rarely ran so he had more space) were hit in the back field CONSTANTLY early on.
It's one thing not to see the hole or be able to get to it. It's another when you have a 270+ pound player hitting you right after the hand off.
The problem early on was clearly on the line(both pass and run) and it was due to the domino effect of Evans being injured and Brown being shitty.
With Evans injured, DLP had to help him more and leave Brown and Grubbs in one on ones. Both of them struggled tremendously. So you had one serviceable player helping an injured player, and two poor players playing next to them.
That is why Strief was clearly our best lineman at the start but for whatever reason he was getting the blame which I also pointed out was bullshite.
You really saw it come together when Evans got healthy and Armstead stepped in(both in the pass and run game). Once Ingram had holes he started hitting them like he did in the second half of 2012.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 2:06 am
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:23 am to htran90
Htran, that was perfect....
Quality post my man
Quality post my man
Posted on 4/12/14 at 7:33 am to adono
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Can we exercise the 5th year option and then trade him?
Yes, but the deadline to do that is May 3rd of this year. The 5th year option cost for a RB is over $5m, and he's definitely not worth that based on his production so far.
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