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re: Ingram Expected To Get Between $4-$6 Million Per Year
Posted on 3/3/15 at 12:42 pm to Earn Your Keep
Posted on 3/3/15 at 12:42 pm to Earn Your Keep
quote:
Rushing:
Thomas (4.9 YPC)
Robinson (4.8 YPC)
Ingram (4.3 YPC)
Thomas - 45 carries
- He's old and can't be an every down back. He should have the highest YPC given his role.
Robinson - 76 carries.
- Young but injured last year. He has a fumbling issue that can hopefully be fixed. He's the reason I think we should move on. He costs nothing.
Ingram - 226 carries, including all short yardage carries.
In 2013:
Ingram (4.9 ypc) - 78 carries
Robinson (4.1 ypc) - 54 carries
Thomas (3.7 ypc) - 147 carries
PFF had some articles on him showing that he consistently faced a higher % of stacked boxes than anyone else in the NFL before last season too. Your every down back should usually have the lowest ypc. He's the one fighting for those hard yards - see Carolina.
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 12:44 pm
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Posted on 3/3/15 at 12:57 pm to TigerBait1127
great response. love it when people just look at stats and not the reason behind those numbers. every time i wonder how businesses like Amway make so much money, I read some posts here and it all makes sense again.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:07 pm to BlacknGold
I think our failures at the goal line last year speak volumes to our interior blocking ability. Teams were getting several yards into the backfield every time.
One can understand the value of a cheap running back with potential like Robinson while also appreciating how Ingram ran the last 2 years
One can understand the value of a cheap running back with potential like Robinson while also appreciating how Ingram ran the last 2 years
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:15 pm to TigerBait1127
with our abysmal offensive line, its impressive that ingram even had the stats he did. people would be singing a very different tune if he had the blocking of years past.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 1:19 pm to BlacknGold
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with our abysmal offensive line, its impressive that ingram even had the stats he did. people would be singing a very different tune if he had the blocking of years past.
I completely agree, but a great offensive line makes a great running back even less important
Posted on 3/3/15 at 2:12 pm to TigerBait1127
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FF had some articles on him showing that he consistently faced a higher % of stacked boxes than anyone else in the NFL before last season too. Your every down back should usually have the lowest ypc. He's the one fighting for those hard yards - see Carolina.
You realize that is because the guy is useless in every other aspect in the game right? He's mediocre at best at pass blocking and receiving out of the back field. Guy plays hard, and is a bit fragile, but people act like his lack of carries held him back. Couldn't you say the same for Robinson and Ivory (when he was here)?
Ingram had a nice stretch but up until that point he sucked. You act like having a switch to a center that could actually run block in Goodwin from the turnstile in that regards that was De La Puente meant nothing. Saints run blocking overall improved last year without DLP in there.
Ingram is perhaps a slightly above average back at best.
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/3/15 at 2:14 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:
Ingram had a nice stretch but up until that point he sucked. You act like having a switch to a center that could actually run block in Goodwin from the turnstile in that regards that was De La Puente meant nothing. Saints run blocking overall improved last year without DLP in there.
then every RB should get a boost too right?
they all suck minus PT in pass protection.
Posted on 3/3/15 at 2:19 pm to htran90
quote:
then every RB should get a boost too right?
For Ingram's type of running and in particular his lack of vision, it clearly had a bigger effect.
Thomas and Robinson were both near 5 ypc last season and both improved from the year before. Robinson and PT both went from 4.1 and 3.7 ypc last year to nearly 5.0 ypc this season.
PT wore down last year, and Ingram dropped this year. You want to claim it was because of him not getting enough carries, well, the others performed just like he did this season on less carries this year as he did last year.
2013
Ingram 78 carries at 4.9 ypc
2014
Robinson 76 carries at 4.8 ypc
So what I see is that they are nearly the same with the same number of carries, but Ingram is so much better, right?
Posted on 3/3/15 at 2:57 pm to Geauxgurt
quote:
Ingram had a nice stretch but up until that point he sucked.
Yes, he had a nice stretch over the last 1.5 seasons. I'm not even sure what you mean by this, as he started running hard before the change was made.
quote:
You act like having a switch to a center that could actually run block in Goodwin from the turnstile in that regards that was De La Puente meant nothing. Saints run blocking overall improved last year without DLP in there.
I don't agree that Goodwin is a much better run blocker than DLP.
quote:
Thomas and Robinson were both near 5 ypc last season and both improved from the year before. Robinson and PT both went from 4.1 and 3.7 ypc last year to nearly 5.0 ypc this season.
Nothing to do with the growth of Robinson as a young player. It is a dumb comparison anyways based on the # of carries. Robinson was unable to break 4 ypc in anygame the 2nd half of the season
quote:
So what I see is that they are nearly the same with the same number of carries, but Ingram is so much better, right?
No one is really saying that Ingram is much better than Robinson as Robinson is an unknown
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 3/3/15 at 3:25 pm to TigerBait1127
I hope dallas brings him in if the saints dont. You mf will crap crow when he hits for 1700, there's a reason we're so good at the quick screens lol. Ingram has the potential to be one of the better backs in this league buried on a 4 back team, a terrible OL, and a head coach who will throw it on 1st and inches *sarcasm font*. C'mon man, saints fans always cry for someone to be gone and then sit there with the pie face the whole offseason when there's nobody better to bring in. Remember when you wanted to hand the keys over to chris ivory, mike bell???
This post was edited on 3/3/15 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/3/15 at 3:52 pm to kiNupe5
if the Saints re-sign Ingram, it is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the way our front office operates.
RB's are a dime a dozen, they should not under any circumstance add to our salary cap woes by re-signing this guy. Draft better, evaluate talent better, and become a better team. Dont keep patching holes with free agents
RB's are a dime a dozen, they should not under any circumstance add to our salary cap woes by re-signing this guy. Draft better, evaluate talent better, and become a better team. Dont keep patching holes with free agents
Posted on 3/3/15 at 4:08 pm to Lester Earl
pretty much.
I do think bargain bin FAs are good to go after
how much is corteland Finnegan going to get on the market?
I do think bargain bin FAs are good to go after
how much is corteland Finnegan going to get on the market?
Posted on 3/4/15 at 9:35 am to Meateye
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The cap-strapped Saints can't afford a back of his caliber
Do these reporters even Micky Loomis at all????
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:04 am to Lester Earl
If by salary cap woes you mean deciding whether or not to keep players on big contracts that are over 30 then yeah we are in "big" trouble. 
Just as last year and the year before and the year before that and next year and the year after that and so on if we want a player we will find a way to get him.
We are not strapped by the cap, nor will we be if we resign Ingram and get a tier 1 or 2 CB (tiers for this class of FAs). There is a plan in place and has been for a while.
Every year dumb asses say we are fricked and have to release half of our team and every year not only do we not do that, we also add players while retaining most of our own FAs we want to keep.
Just as last year and the year before and the year before that and next year and the year after that and so on if we want a player we will find a way to get him.
We are not strapped by the cap, nor will we be if we resign Ingram and get a tier 1 or 2 CB (tiers for this class of FAs). There is a plan in place and has been for a while.
Every year dumb asses say we are fricked and have to release half of our team and every year not only do we not do that, we also add players while retaining most of our own FAs we want to keep.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:37 am to bonethug0108
Lester just likes to hate on Loomis.
And course teams should try to patch holes in FA, that's the entire point
And course teams should try to patch holes in FA, that's the entire point
Posted on 3/4/15 at 10:44 am to TigerBait1127
And if you listen to Payton and Loomis they ALWAYS try to patch as many holes as possible in FA before heading into the draft so they can mostly go BPA.
That's how we have and will continue to build. When we hit on a young player we will release a veteran (Moore to Stills, Harper to Vaccaro, Smith to Galette which took too long, etc.). And if we upgrade in FA at a position we have a FA or find a more cost effective alternative we'll let our guy go (Jenkins to Byrd, Nicks to Grubbs).
That's not to say the move always works but that is the plan.
Edit:
But we do also try to keep as many of our own guys we want. I'm trying to think but we've only lost Nicks, Fujita, Bush(kinda), and Meachem becuase we got outbid.
That's how we have and will continue to build. When we hit on a young player we will release a veteran (Moore to Stills, Harper to Vaccaro, Smith to Galette which took too long, etc.). And if we upgrade in FA at a position we have a FA or find a more cost effective alternative we'll let our guy go (Jenkins to Byrd, Nicks to Grubbs).
That's not to say the move always works but that is the plan.
Edit:
But we do also try to keep as many of our own guys we want. I'm trying to think but we've only lost Nicks, Fujita, Bush(kinda), and Meachem becuase we got outbid.
This post was edited on 3/4/15 at 10:49 am
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:36 am to Lester Earl
quote:
Dont keep patching holes with free agents
Loomis and CSP have been doing this since day 1.
Its their style and has had a bit of success.
Only when they are gone will this change I would think.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 11:58 am to bonethug0108
quote:
And if you listen to Payton and Loomis they ALWAYS try to patch as many holes as possible in FA before heading into the draft so they can mostly go BPA.
that's the best, most successful way of building a winning team.... it allows you to then draft the best player, regardless of position, so you can develop depth at multiple positions without having to spend for it.... it also gives your time at the podium more value in potential trade suitors, and even down the line, allows you to have more bargaining chips to acquire potential targets via trade.....
patching holes along with drafting well go a long way..... however, drafting well hasn't been our strong suit.... you have to hit in the draft or else....
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:11 pm to chRxis
What is part of the reason we brought in Ireland. I think we'll see a bit different type of draft this year.
Posted on 3/4/15 at 12:12 pm to bonethug0108
forgot about Ireland. what a good hire.
also I forgot that we have what was considered to be an elite FS until he played for rob ryan and then hurt his knee. maybe he'll be huge for us this year
also I forgot that we have what was considered to be an elite FS until he played for rob ryan and then hurt his knee. maybe he'll be huge for us this year
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