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re: I think secondary needing to be addressed more important than one pass rusher
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:17 am to stewie
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:17 am to stewie
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The Giants had the best DL in the league on their two Super Bowl runs.
i agree. i'm not arguing their DL wasn't dominant
there was no JPP or Strahan for the Saints to draft this year
also, they only went 9-7 in both of those years, so the dominant DL wasn't even THAT great over the full sample. they just got hot, late
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:18 am to chRxis
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so naturally you want to draft a bunch of guys with injury concerns, like we just did....
you can't pass on lattimore
Ram was possibly elite value at 32
Anzolone is a major question mark
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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bennett is elite
bennett is not one of the 2... he only had 5 sacks last year... but good try...
quote:
Lorenzo Alexander is your argument? he's 33 years old
and he's still MILES ahead of anything we have as far as a pass rush goes...
quote:he's so valuable, they fired him...
Rex Ryan
quote:even the players in Seattle say exactly the opposite...
the rest is from their coverage/scheme
look, we obviously think that the way to improve the D is different... but i guess after this year, we'll know who is right... let's bookmark it and see who is....
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:20 am to chRxis
I have a huge problem here when it comes to loomis/sp.
I don't gaf how talented you are, if you aren't on the field you are worthless.
Give me a durable guy even if he is less talented.
I don't gaf how talented you are, if you aren't on the field you are worthless.
Give me a durable guy even if he is less talented.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:20 am to chRxis
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I agree the secondary needed better personnel, but a better pass rush will make a larger impact.
I don't think anyone is saying they don't want a better pass rush, but we could have Michael Strahan, Warren Sapp, Reggie White, and JJ Watt and with the guys we had playing DB last year it wouldn't have mattered.
When guys like Webb, Crawley, and Harris are seeing significant time on the field that's how you end up with the 32 pass ranked offense. Vaccaro, Breaux, Williams, Wilson all missed significant time last year and it showed.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:21 am to chRxis
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and he's still MILES ahead of anything we have as far as a pass rush goes...
his career high before last year was 2.5 sacks
you really want to make this argument? i'll let you take it back before you embarrass yourself further
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look, we obviously think that the way to improve the D is different... but i guess after this year, we'll know who is right... let's bookmark it and see who is....
how are you even going to do that? there was no starting DE with elite pass rushing talent this year outside of 1 guy. he went #1 overall
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:22 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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I don't think anyone is saying they don't want a better pass rush, but we could have Michael Strahan, Warren Sapp, Reggie White, and JJ Watt and with the guys we had playing DB last year it wouldn't have mattered.
yes
plus
we had no shot to draft a Watt, White, or Strahan
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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we had no shot to draft a Watt, White, or Strahan
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:28 am to Brettesaurus Rex
i just don't get all of this moaning over the saints not drafting this mythical elite pass rushing 4-3 DE who didn't exist
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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his career high before last year was 2.5 sacks
so, that negates the fact that he had 12.5 last year, a year where the D played on was top 5 vs. the pass? he had a very active role in helping that team achieve that.... we don't have anyone like that on our squad... and we didn't try to get one this year either apparently...
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how are you even going to do that? there was no starting DE with elite pass rushing talent this year outside of 1 guy. he went #1 overall
are you kidding? this was a very deep draft for pass rushers, and we skipped over all of them, multiple times...
like i said, let's revisit this thread at the end of the season, and see what ended up being more important... we evidently are great in the secondary now, with the picks we made, so if we finish in the top 16 vs. the pass, considering we don't have shite as far as a pass rush, then you were right... our coverage was the problem, not the pass rush... but if we still end up in the bottom half, even with this now great secondary, then evidently you were wrong, and our pass rush is at fault....
let's bookmark it and see who ends up being right... you or me...
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 11:34 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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i just don't get all of this moaning over the saints not drafting this mythical elite pass rushing 4-3 DE who didn't exist
We don't need a guy that can step in and be elite...and with that approach, you'd never take a DE out of the top 10 picks because the elite DEs are going top 10.
Even the coaching staff and GM of the Saints admitted that a pass rusher was a must... by their own account, they haven't met their needs.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:34 am to chRxis
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so, that negates the fact that he had 12.5 last year, a year where the D played on was top 5 vs. the pass?
it negates his pass rushing talent
especially considering you said he was better than anyone we had and Cam has vastly out-performed him over their respective careers
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we don't have anyone like that on our squad
Cam Jordan is a metric frick ton better than Lorenzo Alexandr, bro
Lorenzo Alexander, including last year, has 21.5 career sacks. Cam has more than double that in about half the time
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are you kidding? this was a very deep draft for pass rushers,
and 1 elite guy
then 2 solid prospects
then a bunch of guys at the same level (and we got one of them)
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and we skipped over all of them, multiple times...
no pretty sure we drafted one
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:37 am to stewie
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We don't need a guy that can step in and be elite...
you can't argue with Jake, because he's always going to put an extra stipulation to try to enhance his point... yet it makes his point that much more invalid when he does... but that's his thing, that's what he does....
i agree, we don't need elite, we just need ANYTHING that will pressure the opposing QB and not let them pick us apart... in today's NFL, you have to be able to get to the QB, plain and simple, and we can't do that... it's not an anomaly that we are always in the bottom 5 or 10 in total defense every fricking year....
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:37 am to chRxis
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let's revisit this thread at the end of the season, and see what ended up being more important
how in the frick cold you even make that comparison?
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we evidently are great in the secondary now
never said that
we're a lot better than we were a few days ago, though
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so if we finish in the top 16 vs. the pass, considering we don't have shite as far as a pass rush, then you were right.
that is utterly retarded and doesn't take randomness into account or the fact that you don't draft for 2017 alone
and there is no way to measure your mythical replacement against this. say we drafted rivers instead of analzone, how would we ever know in that hypothetical scenario what the impact would have been? you can't know this.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:37 am to stewie
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Even the coaching staff and GM of the Saints admitted that a pass rusher was a must... by their own account, they haven't met their needs.
we
drafted
a
pass
rusher
it's just a pass rusher you don't like, for some reason
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:39 am to chRxis
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i agree, we don't need elite, we just need ANYTHING that will pressure the opposing QB
we signed a guy who can do that in Okafor
we drafted a guy who can do that in Hendrickson
i don't even get what you're upset about since we did exactly what you wanted to do
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's just a pass rusher you don't like, for some reason
I have no clue how well this guy does for the Saints, nor does anyone else.
What I do know is that Johnathan Allen was sitting there at 11...he might have been the best player in all of college football last year. You want to talk about dominant DL play, plug that guy in.
What where his health issues...I don't know but the Saints aren't scared to draft players with health issues apparently.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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then a bunch of guys at the same level (and we got one of them)
you think Hendrickson is on the same level as Basham, Rivers, Williams, etc.??
bruh, Hendrickson is this year's version of Davis Tull... and Anzalone couldn't stay healthy in college... you think he's going to stay healthy in the NFL? with our medical staff, at that? dude....
the FACT is our pass rush sucks worse than our secondary, when healthy... our secondary, if healthy, is in much better shape than our front 7... every LB spot needs an improvement... and we still don't have anything across from Cam.... but we do have another OT and RB, so there's that....
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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we signed a guy who can do that in Okafor
we drafted a guy who can do that in Hendrickson
if these are the guys we are depending on to get to the opposing QB, we are severely fricked....
Posted on 4/29/17 at 11:45 am to stewie
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I have no clue how well this guy does for the Saints, nor does anyone else.
i agree, but we did address the issue
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What I do know is that Johnathan Allen was sitting there at 11..
we already have 2 starting DTs
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