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I think secondary needing to be addressed more important than one pass rusher
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:47 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:47 am
I don't think people realize how bad our secondary was last year. Injuries killed the entire lineup and there was zero consistency. People also forget Fairley and Rankins aren't just fat run pluggers, they will get after the QB too.
I like that we added Hendrickson but I'm glad the focus was on getting the backend coverage finally fixed. A true coverage safety along with another starting quality CB across from Breaux was so sorely missed last year.
I like that we added Hendrickson but I'm glad the focus was on getting the backend coverage finally fixed. A true coverage safety along with another starting quality CB across from Breaux was so sorely missed last year.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:49 am to Brettesaurus Rex
i agree
i was out and about last night so i didn't see things live but people melting over the FS were idiots
now picking an athletic, injury-prone WLB over pass rusher project is the debate
our first 3 picks were A+++ stuff
our next few picks have a lot of question marks
i was out and about last night so i didn't see things live but people melting over the FS were idiots
now picking an athletic, injury-prone WLB over pass rusher project is the debate
our first 3 picks were A+++ stuff
our next few picks have a lot of question marks
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:50 am to SlowFlowPro
I think most agree. Everything comes up roses is 76 is used on a rusher, though
Posted on 4/29/17 at 9:58 am to Brettesaurus Rex
A good pass rusher will cover up shortcomings in the secondary. For years our CBs are put on on island for too long and fail.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:02 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I don't disagree, but you could have taken two pass rushers and still had all of your secondary guys.
Anal zone was a throw away pick to me.
Anal zone was a throw away pick to me.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:03 am to dchunk
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A good pass rusher will cover up shortcomings in the secondary. For years our CBs are put on on island for too long and fail.
more and more you see QB's getting rid of the ball quicker in the NFL. Not saying it happens all the time but there are a handful of plays where even a good pass rush isn't going to be the answer.
I really hope Rankins is everything we hope he'd be. Like the OP said above.. we have capable interior guys (Fairley/Rankins) who can hopefully push the pocket from up the middle.
they combined for 9.5 sacks last year and that's with Rankins missing 6 games with the hurt leg too.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:03 am to GynoSandberg
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Everything comes up roses is 76 is used on a rusher, though
or an LSU fighting Tiger!!!
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:08 am to dchunk
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good pass rusher will cover up shortcomings in the secondary. For years our CBs are put on on island for too long and fail.
Considering we face some of the more mobile passers in the nfl in our division, your point becomes even more salient. We need to be able to contain and disrupt at the los or else our db's are doomed. I don't care who you put back there. Ryan and Newton will pick us apart if they can move around freely looking for one of their 6'5" recievers.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:10 am to Brettesaurus Rex
and maybe just maybe the team has high hopes of Okafor going back to his 2014 form
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:11 am to Vacherie Saint
We wouldn't have gotten Lattimore and I doubt we get Williams if we don't pick them where we did.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:12 am to saintsfan92612
i said this in another thread but i think Okafor will be much more serviceable than people are thinking
not like 10+ sacks but probably 6-8 and a bunch of pressures
Cam gets a ton of pressures without sacks and with an improved secondary, push from the middle, and a LITTLE more help on the right side, i think we're a lot closer than people realize
not like 10+ sacks but probably 6-8 and a bunch of pressures
Cam gets a ton of pressures without sacks and with an improved secondary, push from the middle, and a LITTLE more help on the right side, i think we're a lot closer than people realize
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:14 am to Brettesaurus Rex
No shite?
I'm talking about taking anal zone over time williams or derek rivers.
Look at this same draft class with rivers instead of anal zone and any honest saints fan would
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I'm talking about taking anal zone over time williams or derek rivers.
Look at this same draft class with rivers instead of anal zone and any honest saints fan would
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Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:16 am to Vacherie Saint
Well, I've said a few times that's about the only questionable pick I have in the whole draft. Its clear we wanted both Foster and Riley but they literally go one pick in front of us both times.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:22 am to Vacherie Saint
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Look at this same draft class with rivers instead of anal zone and any honest saints fan would
but here is my thing (again, argued in another thread)
do you REALLY see a huge difference, if any at all, in rivers and Hendrickson?
i think most fans are sticking on the rivers thing b/c (1) they read more about him pre-draft and (2) he was picked by the pats
i just don't see this gap between the 2 guys as prospects
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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pressures
This is something I've thought about ton about too.
With guys like cam and Winston in the division, and other guys like teddy and tyrod on the schedule this season, do you resign yourself to the idea that sack totals just won't be that high? Are pressures what we are really after?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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do you REALLY see a huge difference, if any at all, in rivers and Hendrickson?
It's hard to say, but my thinking is you take them both and hope one of them sticks instead of putting all of your eggs in the hendrickson basket.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:27 am to Vacherie Saint
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With guys like cam and Winston in the division, and other guys like teddy and tyrod on the schedule this season, do you resign yourself to the idea that sack totals just won't be that high?
i was literally going to make that argument to the post above
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Are pressures what we are really after?
consistent pressure is what you want. sacks typically come with consistent pressure. pressure disrupts the QB and forces him to go to different reads, throw the ball away, or force balls. i think a major reason why Cam has gotten so many pressure without sacks the past couple years is b/c our secondary has been GAR-BAGE. give the DL an extra second and we'll see more sacks
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:28 am to Vacherie Saint
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but my thinking is you take them both
les kind of made this argument, too
and i'll respond with: we don't have the luxury to over-draft a single position with all of our holes
we have to plug and pray
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:29 am to dchunk
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A good pass rusher will cover up shortcomings in the secondary. For years our CBs are put on on island for too long and fail.
EXACTLY... but let's ignore this fact since we didn't draft anything of worth as a pass rusher, but we did draft a CB and S, so let's all pretend that's more important... it's easier than admitting we are fricking treading water year to year because we don't know how to actually build a defense...
Posted on 4/29/17 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
So the staff clearly believes that better secondary play begets more sacks and not the opposite.
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