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How do ya'll feel overall about the future of the Saints, over the next 2-3 years?

Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:26 am
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:26 am
Seems we all knew going into this year and will be the same for next year, we aren't going to be able to bring in any big time FAs. Basically going to have to rely on the draft.
I was pretty impressed how we kept most of our offense together, but defense took a lot of losses. It was obvious we weren't going to be able to pay Janoris J or Hendrickson what they'd command. I was hoping we could at least retain Malcom Brown.

The future of Dline, as in the next 2-3 years looks shaky. Davenport is still an unknown about staying healthy, how many more years do we have good play from Cam Jordan, etc. Onymata will be a good anchor for years to come, Roach and Tuttle have progressed nicely, Turner will hopefully develop into a good player but my worry is even if he does, only having 1 good DE in a matter of a season or 2.

LB will all depend on how Baun and Werner pan out. Both are pretty much needed now and don't have time for developing and sitting 2-3 years. OTOH, between Jordan, Granderson, and Davenport, Turner has at least a chance to develop and not get thrown to the wolves rookie year. Obviously we have Davis for a couple more seasons, thank goodness.

Secondary is an unknown, we have Lattimore which I feel confident will sign a new contract and be kept long term. Between Marcus Williams and Ram I feel we'll sign Ram over him. CGJ is a really good player and progressing nicely but we don't have much outside of that. Jenkins is a good stop gap and may give us time to find someone else there over the next year or 2, but more than likely CGJ will take his spot at some point. CB situation looks kind of scary.

Oline looks good for the future, at least overall, we've done a good job of taking Oline seriously. Hurst is as good of a backup T in this league as they come and our interior is very deep. Probably won't retain Armstead after this year with all the other contracts we have to do after 21 season.

RB is an area I can see us getting thin at after this season. Murray isn't getting younger and is getting to the age a RB can fall of the cliff, imo, we will need to find more youth there to pair with Kamara.

WR and TE I don't think we are bad at, this year may be tough but I think and hope next year in the draft we can possibly get a good playmaker to pair with MT. Tre'Quan is not consistent but does have some good games and good and cheap enough to keep. There's some promise with younger lesser known guys and I feel good about Trautman.

QB is obviously a who the hell knows what's gonna happen.

There's a handful of guys that pretty much need to make an impact fairly quick, as in their rookie year, or 2nd year. Ruiz, Adebo, Baun, and Trautman. I believe Werner and Turner unless injuries happen in front of them, have at least a season to develop. Not saying they won't play a lot, but not be completely depended on. Having a random surprise like Ellis at LB coming out of nowhere and playing well would be nice.

ETA: I realized I stated Werner doesn't have time to develop and later that he does. I guess it depends on where the Saints want to play him. If behind Davis he'll have time, if somewhere else, he may get thrown in rookie year also.

ETA2: OK maybe I didn't say both about Werner, I'm reading Werner and thinking Turner and confusing myself, my eyes hurt trying to read off my screen, my bad.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 11:47 am
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12306 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:30 am to
To me we can be very good if Winston and/or Hill can play well. It all revolves around that IMO; otherwise, I see a bunch of 7-9 type seasons.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:32 am to
I'm not sure what type of offense Winston played in Tampa. If it was similar to what Saints run or a lot more deep passes, also not sure how good their Olines were those years. I'm hoping not making him air it out or throw a bunch of deep balls will help his interceptions here. Not really sure how good of a timing QB he is though.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31590 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:34 am to
quote:

To me we can be very good if Winston and/or Hill can play well. It all revolves around that IMO; otherwise, I see a bunch of 7-9 type seasons
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10306 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:42 am to
I feel pretty good. Excited to see the return of the deep ball. I think there's a chance we resign Kwon at a realistic salary if his recovery keeps going well.
Posted by Deuce McWin
Canal Street
Member since Aug 2004
1052 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:43 am to
We either have a QB or we're looking for a QB.
The rest of the team is solid enough to compete for a championship.
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
28904 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:46 am to
This will all go by how the QB position develops. Only comfort we can take is Payton knows how to build a team and he knows how to win games without Brees
Posted by SpqrTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2004
9265 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:48 am to
I think the GM and the coaching staff think they have a better roster than they actually have. Especially on offense.

I don’t want it to be this way, but I think this season coming up is going to be rougher than usual.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:50 am to
Ask me in 3 years...

This is the NFL!
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:51 am to
quote:

don’t want it to be this way, but I think this season coming up is going to be rougher than usual


I think most people agree with this. I do believe if Winston can just play solid QB, we are good enough to at least be a wildcard team. Payton and Loomis just need to keep enough talent around for the next year or 2. I think after 22 season our cap situation has a chance to be much better. We just need to get in the playoffs, anything can happen once you get in.

Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Ask me in 3 years.


I will
Posted by LSUJD_04
Member since Feb 2021
1513 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 12:19 pm to
We still have one of the most talented rosters in the league so we will be a contender for the next few years. It all comes down the QB though. We will go as far as the guy taking the snaps takes us.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20408 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 1:16 pm to
I'm cautiously optimistic.

Unlike a lot of folks here, I think Jameis is still an A+ prospect. I think he was both inexperienced and stuffed into an overly aggressive, reckless scheme at Tampa, and he was able to produce some numbers while also forcing a lot of turnovers. I've brought it up a couple times- Brady came in, and he and Ariens had a serious conflict the middle of last season. The offense they closed the year with (and won the Super Bowl with) was NOT the offense Winston was running.

I think Payton runs a much smarter offense, and I believe one of the main reasons Winston didn't play last year when Brees got hurt, was that Payton was completely rebooting him. Hill doesn't have the talent, but he had better understanding of the scheme design. I think with a year in the system, and Payton seeing what parts best fit his skills, we're going to see Winston come out looking elite.
At least, that's my hope, and I think it's a very valid and reasonable possibility.

If that's the case, I could see 11 wins next year, and a lot of potential to continue owning the NFC South like we have during Brees' tenure.
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
22171 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 1:32 pm to
7-10/7-10/6-11
Posted by GTP8445
Meridian Ms
Member since Dec 2011
644 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 2:14 pm to
I think they addressed our biggest needs in a prioritized draft order. They took the best players available at the time for the position according to their card and if 3 of the 6 picks shake out it will be a good draft...I really think the South Alabama WR could be a diamond in the rough and think our first, second, and third round picks will all be serviceable players and could have big special team impacts...Book is worth the gamble and if he turns into a Chase Daniel back up, that's worth a 4th rounder...that Kentucky Tackle is a steal....I'll give the draft a b+ grade and think the Saints are going to compete with who ever they play for the next few years to come
Posted by Froman
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
36219 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 2:16 pm to
It all starts at the top. The Saints have excellent leadership. With Loomis and Payton at the helm, I am confident we will be contending sooner than later.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

I think they addressed our biggest needs in a prioritized draft order. They took the best players available at the time for the position according to their card and if 3 of the 6 picks shake out it will be a good draft...I really think the South Alabama WR could be a diamond in the rough and think our first, second, and third round picks will all be serviceable players and could have big special team impacts...Book is worth the gamble and if he turns into a Chase Daniel back up, that's worth a 4th rounder...that Kentucky Tackle is a steal....I'll give the draft a b+ grade and think the Saints are going to compete with who ever they play for the next few years to come


I sort of agree, I feel Book will wind up on practice squad though and some team desperately needing a backup QB will take him. With our depth issues in some areas I don’t see us going into season with 3 QBs on the roster

quote:

that Kentucky Tackle is a steal.


Looks like a good pick, probably needs a couple years of developing though, unfortunately good chance he’s only going to get 1 year. May end up being a good RT.


Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11506 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 2:35 pm to
100% dependent on QB play. We lost a lot of players but we were DEEP with talent.
Posted by Laaz2750
Los Angeles
Member since Aug 2008
8381 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 2:35 pm to
So much is up in the air, starting with the QB situation. This is the first year in a long time where I would believe literally any possible outcome, from a super bowl win to going 1-16.
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4936 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 2:45 pm to
If Winston delivers, we could be competitive. We do need to upgrade the receiving corps. I think the defense could be OK if Lattimore plays and we find a replacement for Jenkins.
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