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Gun Flex Right Stack 394 Dragon Smoke Kill Turbo Sucker Right
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:55 am
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:55 am
Pretty good article on Payton and Brees and playcalling terminology.
LINK
LINK
quote:
When I read it off to Brees to see if he could remember when the Saints might have used it, his instant recall was as mind-boggling as the terminology itself.
"I feel like we've called that play twice," said the 39-year-old quarterback, who is heading into his 13th season with Payton in New Orleans. "I recall we ran one of those plays against Tampa like two years ago and scored on it."
Wait. Can he do that with every play?
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 4:24 am
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 11:42 am to ellunchboxo
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Wait. Can he do that with every play?
I bet he could.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 12:04 pm to ellunchboxo
Most NFL fans from other teams don’t give Brees the credit he deserves. The guy is one of the BEST quarterbacks of all time. When he retires he will be number 1 in just about every alltime QB stat there is
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 4:32 pm to TechDawg2007
still a long play call need to simplify it
Posted on 7/14/18 at 5:27 pm to Double Oh
Why? Obviously Brees remembers all that.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 6:45 pm to ellunchboxo
And now people understand offenses like new Orleans and New England are called "complicated"
The terminology is fricking insane if you don't put in the effort to know what route correlates
The terminology is fricking insane if you don't put in the effort to know what route correlates
Posted on 7/14/18 at 7:23 pm to Double Oh
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still a long play call need to simplify it
That's actually two plays called at once. Everything before Kill is one play, and everything after is another.
Payton does this for every call so we have something very different to check into while maintaining the same formation.
And the information is simple if you know it.
On this play they are running out of Shotgun with (I'm guessing) the TE flexed out (could be the back instead) and the receivers are stacked (3 to one side close together).
394 is the routes the stacked receivers are running (one a 3 route, one a 9(fly) route, and one a 4 route).
I'm not sure what Dragon Smoke is but it could be the protection call.
The second call is a run to the right.
This stuff is pretty easy once you learn the "language".
Posted on 7/14/18 at 7:30 pm to bonethug0108
Dragon smoke is thw route concept. The 394 is the code for the protection. At least thats what the article says.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 8:05 pm to Harry Pitts
Ah thanks. Some teams use numbers for the routes to simplify it. I should have figured it would be a bit more complex for Payton (and why receivers in our system need to really know their shite).
But really it's still not too bad.
On passes Brees needs to know the whole play, the oline (and backs and TEs if they are staying in to block) needs the protection call, and the receivers needs to know the route concept, while everyone needs to know the formation.
On runs Brees needs to know where the handoff takes place (the he likely knows the whole play), the blockers need to know where and how to block, the back needs to know where the play is designed to go, and again everyone needs to know the formation.
But as long as you know what somethings means (and know what that thing itself is) it just becomes recall.
What was impressive is Brees remembering when and how many times a play was called.
But really it's still not too bad.
On passes Brees needs to know the whole play, the oline (and backs and TEs if they are staying in to block) needs the protection call, and the receivers needs to know the route concept, while everyone needs to know the formation.
On runs Brees needs to know where the handoff takes place (the he likely knows the whole play), the blockers need to know where and how to block, the back needs to know where the play is designed to go, and again everyone needs to know the formation.
But as long as you know what somethings means (and know what that thing itself is) it just becomes recall.
What was impressive is Brees remembering when and how many times a play was called.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:25 pm to bonethug0108
What I also took away from the article is that you can call a play with a simple name where everyone in theory is expected to know what to do and hope nobody forgets/mixes up responsibilities.
But if you have a sharp-minded QB fluent in playbook lingo, you can dictate/reinforce specific responsibilities on each play so there's less of chance for mental errors in protections & routes.
Which says a lot about what the Auburn coaches thought of Cam Newton. He gave a play-call example to Jon Gruden on QB Camp that a typical Auburn call would be just a number: "39"
But if you have a sharp-minded QB fluent in playbook lingo, you can dictate/reinforce specific responsibilities on each play so there's less of chance for mental errors in protections & routes.
Which says a lot about what the Auburn coaches thought of Cam Newton. He gave a play-call example to Jon Gruden on QB Camp that a typical Auburn call would be just a number: "39"
Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:20 am to ellunchboxo
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Former Saints quarterback Garrett Grayson, a third-round pick in 2015, admitted that he struggled to spit out the long playcalls with confidence and authority in the huddle during his first year or two in New Orleans -- one of the reasons he flamed out in less than three years.
I find it funny he's now on the Falcon's roster.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 11:27 am to Harry Pitts
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The 394 is the code for the protection. At least thats what the article says.
A lot of West Coast teams would use 394 as the route call.
Apparently the Saints are different.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 4:31 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Yeah when I went back and read the article it said as much. Payton got some of those different wrinkles from Gruden (and later Parcells).
I thought it was weird they would have 394 bunched without an X, Y, or Z in front (or whatever alternative they would use), so when I saw it was protection (3 step drop with max protect) it made more sense.
The other thing I noticed when I was reading is that Payton doesn't use a "uniform" play call system, so you won't always see things (like formation or routes) called the same way. It's very much "this is what we are calling this play this week/season" type of thing, and they change certain ones up every now and then.
I thought it was weird they would have 394 bunched without an X, Y, or Z in front (or whatever alternative they would use), so when I saw it was protection (3 step drop with max protect) it made more sense.
The other thing I noticed when I was reading is that Payton doesn't use a "uniform" play call system, so you won't always see things (like formation or routes) called the same way. It's very much "this is what we are calling this play this week/season" type of thing, and they change certain ones up every now and then.
Posted on 7/15/18 at 4:33 pm to Double Oh
Double Oh
Gun Flex Right Stack 394 Dragon Smoke Kill Turbo Sucker Right
still a long play call need to simplify it
Gun Flex Right Stack 394 Dragon Smoke Kill Turbo Sucker Right
still a long play call need to simplify it
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:25 am to bonethug0108
Your posts are way too long explaining play calling logic of Payton.. most of the shite being general knowledge we know
Posted on 7/16/18 at 7:27 am to PenguinPubes
I was explaining to that one other poster why it looked so long but really isn't because he still seemed clueless.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 7:28 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 8:04 am to PenguinPubes
no need to come across as a condescending dick - i've never paid any attention to the play calls, so I appreciated his breaking it out - as well as the poster after.
if the post is something you already know, no need to talk down to someone for they explaining something.
but then again this is an internet forum, so you can be a keyboard tough guy and hid behind anonymity
if the post is something you already know, no need to talk down to someone for they explaining something.
but then again this is an internet forum, so you can be a keyboard tough guy and hid behind anonymity
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:08 am to ellunchboxo
I love two-play options.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 9:51 am to Thracken13
I’m a huge keyboard tough guy, buddy
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:44 am to TechDawg2007
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Most NFL fans from other teams don’t give Brees the credit he deserves. The guy is one of the BEST quarterbacks of all time. When he retires he will be number 1 in just about every alltime QB stat there is
What's sad is no one will ever call him great because he won less championships than Brady. It isn't Drew's fault the Saints front office couldn't get/keep a decent defense for him during his prime. Hope he gets at least 1 more.
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