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Gregory vs La'el Collins
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:56 am
With Gregory falling there is a possibility both are there at 13. Who would you prefer and why.
Personally I don't think you pass on Gregory regardless of drug test. But that is just me I have no justification behind it. I think if it were Scherff instead of Collins I would like that move but I don't see Scherff getting past Giants.
Personally I don't think you pass on Gregory regardless of drug test. But that is just me I have no justification behind it. I think if it were Scherff instead of Collins I would like that move but I don't see Scherff getting past Giants.
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Posted on 4/9/15 at 11:57 am to mindbreaker
Collins. If you take Gregory why did they trade all the unwantables this off season
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:00 pm to mindbreaker
You have a drink and start working on pick 31 since you traded up for Fowler and no longer have 13.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:07 pm to geauxtigers87
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If you take Gregory why did they trade all the unwantables this off season
I think this is being overblown a bit by fans, considering the Browner signing and re-signing of Joe Morgan. I don't know how they view Gregory, but I don't think that they are writing off every prospect with any kid of black marks. IIRC, we've had dinner with Marcus Peters, and have been doing "heavy research" on Green-Beckham.
Although I've read that his off-the-field issues go beyond the failed drug tests, I would take Gregory in this situation.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:08 pm to mindbreaker
If no guards have been taken by the time we pick then I would go best front 7 player available. Then I would wait until one of the guards are picked and trade up with our 31 to get the other
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:42 pm to mm2316
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IIRC, we've had dinner with Marcus Peters, and have been doing "heavy research" on Green-Beckham.
But those guys are considerations at #31, where it makes more sense to roll the dice a bit. You don't want to swing and miss wildly at #13.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 12:45 pm to mindbreaker
There's is absolutely no way of knowing what the FO/Payton will do in this draft.
Questions: Who are there Top 3 OL on the board and how likely will one of them be there at #31 or #44?
Note: Drew cant's complete passes on his arse. Evans will be gone if he plays like last year...even with the extension.
Question: What's more important: DL, LB or Edge?
Note: Considering how poorly the defense has been the last few years, you could argue that almost every position on the defensive side needs improvement. To me, the LB play has been close to comical. The only question raised when the opposition passes a screen pass is how many yards it will go for. Forget about stopping the run game. When you're the 25th rank pass defense, 29th run defense and 31st on total yards allowed, just about anyone can help.
Bottom line: Pick Collins and go LB at #31 (use a 3Rd rounder to move up if you have to).
Questions: Who are there Top 3 OL on the board and how likely will one of them be there at #31 or #44?
Note: Drew cant's complete passes on his arse. Evans will be gone if he plays like last year...even with the extension.
Question: What's more important: DL, LB or Edge?
Note: Considering how poorly the defense has been the last few years, you could argue that almost every position on the defensive side needs improvement. To me, the LB play has been close to comical. The only question raised when the opposition passes a screen pass is how many yards it will go for. Forget about stopping the run game. When you're the 25th rank pass defense, 29th run defense and 31st on total yards allowed, just about anyone can help.
Bottom line: Pick Collins and go LB at #31 (use a 3Rd rounder to move up if you have to).
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:07 pm to adono
Neither.
Alvin "Bud" Dupree
Alvin "Bud" Dupree
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:07 pm to mm2316
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I think this is being overblown a bit by fans, considering the Browner signing and re-signing of Joe Morgan
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"I think we struggled with some leadership positions," said Payton when asked about causes of the Saints' 7-9 finish in 2014.
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"Mickey and I just met last night. One theme for us has been finding the tough, smart football players,"
It's not smart to smoke weed knowing that you will be tested at the Combine. It's even dumber not to attempt to even try to clean your system out knowing that you have been blowing blunt after blunt.
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Payton said creating a culture of leadership would start in that locker room.
"I think it's creating the environment for leadership to flourish," he said. "Sometimes that can be stifled, if you will, and I've got to do a better job of creating that environment -- certainly better than we did a year ago."
You can't cultivate an environment of leadership in the lockeroom when the lockeroom is filled with blunt smoke.
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Although I've read that his off-the-field issues go beyond the failed drug tests, I would take Gregory in this situation.
The team had a serious problem with players showing up late for team meetings, practice & road trip flights as well as players not putting in the necessary work to be the best players they can be. These issues obviously affected the team’s performance on the field last season yet people are advocating taking risk on players with red flags galore? Draft one & the minute one of these red flag risk do something dumb off the field, everyone would be complaining & saying why did the team draft this dumbfrick for in the first place.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:10 pm to mindbreaker
it's a tough call. Guards are not traditionally valued to be drafted this high, so it is a position that we can hit on later in the first or even second round. However, we value the guard play moreso than other teams due to Brees' play style and height.
I think if we plan to use him at guard but eventually replace Eligible64 in the near future, then you take him at 13. If you strictly want him as a guard, then go with Gregory and address guard with 31 or one of the seconds
I think if we plan to use him at guard but eventually replace Eligible64 in the near future, then you take him at 13. If you strictly want him as a guard, then go with Gregory and address guard with 31 or one of the seconds
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:23 pm to mindbreaker
I guess I would go Collins. He could provide depth on the o-line or even step right in and start right away.
We don't know what is going to happen with Lelito. If we use the #13 pick on Scherff/Collins it should be a safe bet that they'll be a starter.
here's another thing. If there is an injury at tackle and we picked Scherff/Collins maybe they could slide over to tackle? For example,Strief has had some nagging injuries here and there.
just a thought.
I think you could find some good help at the end of the 1st round or in the 2nd round on defense too as far as pass rushers go.
looks like this draft has some solid depth?
We don't know what is going to happen with Lelito. If we use the #13 pick on Scherff/Collins it should be a safe bet that they'll be a starter.
here's another thing. If there is an injury at tackle and we picked Scherff/Collins maybe they could slide over to tackle? For example,Strief has had some nagging injuries here and there.
just a thought.
I think you could find some good help at the end of the 1st round or in the 2nd round on defense too as far as pass rushers go.
looks like this draft has some solid depth?
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:56 pm to Jwho77
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But those guys are considerations at #31, where it makes more sense to roll the dice a bit. You don't want to swing and miss wildly at #13.
Maybe, but I don't think any of us are in the place to speak so definitively about the situation, so I wouldn't rule it out. Besides, we're talking about the difference of 18 picks in your example, not a 1st and 5th, or so on.
This post was edited on 4/9/15 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 4/9/15 at 1:59 pm to BigBrod81
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Draft one & the minute one of these red flag risk do something dumb off the field, everyone would be complaining & saying why did the team draft this dumbfrick for in the first place.
Trust me, I've read all of that before and understand it. However, the team isn't having a dinner with Marcus Peters as a "smoke screen." I know signing Morgan, or even Browner, isn't as risky as using a draft pick on players, but judging by their actions, they obviously believe in 2nd (or more) chances if the truly believe in a player.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:08 pm to mindbreaker
I think if both collins and Gregory both manage to last until 13 there would be more than a few teams interested in trading up
Posted on 4/9/15 at 2:10 pm to mindbreaker
Gregory is a top 3 player in the draft and some have him as the best player in the draft. Collins is a very good player, but not even considered the best at his position.
When it comes down to it, you just gotta do your homework on Gregory and find out if hes a good person that just made some mistakes like all college kids do or if he's an issue and has a lot of problems and is immature.
If were comfortable with Gregory and think he's a good guy that will grow and improve on and off the field, you take him no question. He's an elite prospect and is the type of player that could change the D from day 1.
If you think he has serious issues and aren't comfortable with taking him at 13, then you pass and take someone else.
It's pretty simple. But Gregory is an elite prospect and could be 1 of the best edge players in the NFL for years to come. Justin Houston failed a drug test for marijuana at the combine and fell to the 3rd round. Now he's arguably the best edge player in the NFL.
If you're comfortable with him, it's a no brainer you take him. If you aren't, you pass. Just gotta trust CSP and the staff.
When it comes down to it, you just gotta do your homework on Gregory and find out if hes a good person that just made some mistakes like all college kids do or if he's an issue and has a lot of problems and is immature.
If were comfortable with Gregory and think he's a good guy that will grow and improve on and off the field, you take him no question. He's an elite prospect and is the type of player that could change the D from day 1.
If you think he has serious issues and aren't comfortable with taking him at 13, then you pass and take someone else.
It's pretty simple. But Gregory is an elite prospect and could be 1 of the best edge players in the NFL for years to come. Justin Houston failed a drug test for marijuana at the combine and fell to the 3rd round. Now he's arguably the best edge player in the NFL.
If you're comfortable with him, it's a no brainer you take him. If you aren't, you pass. Just gotta trust CSP and the staff.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:04 pm to KG5989
Gregory, you won't find a comparable talent in the draft. I see 3-4 OT's you can move inside to guard in round 2 or 3.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:07 pm to TOKEN
I'm just going to say it.
We aren't taking a fricking guard at 13.
We aren't taking a fricking guard at 13.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:07 pm to mindbreaker
Gregory for sure.
Posted on 4/9/15 at 3:12 pm to mm2316
I definitely said you don't want to swing and miss with #13. And you don't. I didn't say the Saints wouldn't.
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