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re: Draft "Rumor" about the Saints possibly moving up to 5th
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:14 am to bonethug0108
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:14 am to bonethug0108
I can see maybe making a move from 31 if the right guy is there, but we need players and we need to stay put and fill those needs. It has been a while since we have had this many quality picks.
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Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:17 am to elprez00
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If we swap our two firsts for a #5 and Williams, thats something we all should support
Absolutely not. Although I believe that Williams is the surest bet in the draft, there is no guarantee he'll dominate. We thought Sedrick Ellis was a "can't miss" and we traded up (not too much....10th to 7th) and we know how that turned out. We wanted to trade 2 first rounders to move up more to get Dorsey ; that would have been disastrous.
Keep the picks and do some homework.
This post was edited on 4/8/15 at 9:10 am
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:39 am to WicKed WayZ
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I will consider harming my body if we do something that stupid
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:41 am to bonethug0108
I am not a fan of trading up early
In the draft. If Mariotta falls to 13, i would trade back in a minute. Too much talent in the first 78 picks this year to trade our picks away. I belive we can get 5 solid starters with our 5 early picks.
In the draft. If Mariotta falls to 13, i would trade back in a minute. Too much talent in the first 78 picks this year to trade our picks away. I belive we can get 5 solid starters with our 5 early picks.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:48 am to HollierThanThou
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Fowler and Williams are the only two worth moving for.
Williams yes, but not Fowler. IF this is true, then Williams is the target. Tenn will mot likely draft Mariota, and Fowler is a lock (if all indications are true) to Jax if he is on the board. That leaves Oak, who could be drafting Williams but more likely Cooper or White, and Williams will be there at 5. I can't see any other player we would be targeting for a trade up.
But I am in the choke me with barbed wire camp if we trade up for anyone
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:53 am to Midget Death Squad
I'd say yes to Fowler and Williams. They are both Superior compared to everyone else that could drop.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 8:53 am to JayWalkTiger
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ost likely both of our firsts and, either a second or both of our thirds
No frickin way. Not unless they threw in a third or late second.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:03 am to Chad504boy
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Fowler and Williams
Neither are making it to 5 anyway
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:04 am to Chad504boy
As much as I would like Fowler on our team (he seems to be a great person on top of player), I just don't think trading up for an OLB is worth it. I think the only positions worth this type of trade up value are QB, DT, CB, LT and maybe WR. Those are the keys for great teams. I would be ok with trading up to 8 or lower for a Fowler, but higher than a 5 slot move would be too costly for the position imo.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:04 am to LosLobos111
This team has too many holes. The good news is we have some really nice draft picks and with the way college players appear to be more ready for the NFL game, we could easily come out this draft with 3 starters and a handful of solid role players.
If we trade up, I'm hoping it's not for much. A jump from 13 to 5 would take some considerable assets and this team needs the young players.
I think we will let the draft come to us at 13, with maybe a jump in front of a team to get the player we want. Nothing major but like a jump from 13 to 10 0r 11.
Now at pick 31, I fully expect a jump into the mid-20's to grab their guy. I really don't want to give up our 2nd rounder because that is another starter for this team.
If we trade up, I'm hoping it's not for much. A jump from 13 to 5 would take some considerable assets and this team needs the young players.
I think we will let the draft come to us at 13, with maybe a jump in front of a team to get the player we want. Nothing major but like a jump from 13 to 10 0r 11.
Now at pick 31, I fully expect a jump into the mid-20's to grab their guy. I really don't want to give up our 2nd rounder because that is another starter for this team.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:06 am to HollierThanThou
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Fowler
I am too lazy to do the research, but I'd like to know the difference between an elite and mediocre EDGE rusher. And how that really translates to Ws.
My quick survey is that the elite EDGE rushers average 11+ sacks a season. Take Von Miller this past year, his stat line is: 59-42-17-14.0 (tackles-solo-assist-sacks). I don't have any hurries info.
I really don't know what the average OLB Edge defender is worth, but I'd just guess 6-7 sacks a season. Are those +7 sacks (if you get an elite EDGE rusher, if) worth the investment of a top pick?
I'm not sure that could be justified for someone so one dimensional. How often do those guys drop in coverage? Contain the edge?
It just seems to me there are so few above the mean production, even fewer with elite status. The chances and production just are not worth the investment of a top 10 pick for this Saints squad.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:08 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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Neither are making it to 5 anyway
If 2 QB's and a WR goes in top 4....
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:09 am to Midget Death Squad
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worth this type of trade up value are QB, DT, CB, LT and maybe WR.
Weird cause bust % on many of these are way high.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:12 am to Meep
To me it's obvious the Saints are targeting an edge rusher (which also makes me wonder if they will trade Cam Jordan on draft day) and they are getting nervous that there will be an insane run on DE's in the first 12 picks.
Depending on what mock you see, some literally have Fowler, Ray, Beasley, Dupree, and Gregory are all gone by the time we pick.
Now will any of these mocks be right? No. Not a chance as teams will make 1-2 surprise picks and players fall, but the Saints want impact players now.
Which makes me really, really, really wish we hadn't won that meaningless game at the end of the season.
Depending on what mock you see, some literally have Fowler, Ray, Beasley, Dupree, and Gregory are all gone by the time we pick.
Now will any of these mocks be right? No. Not a chance as teams will make 1-2 surprise picks and players fall, but the Saints want impact players now.
Which makes me really, really, really wish we hadn't won that meaningless game at the end of the season.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:16 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Wash GM: Hey Mickey we are looking to move down from 5 to pick up additional picks, and 13 appears to be a good spot. Would you be interesting in moving up to 5. ML: Sure, we'll give you 13 & 78. Wash: That's not enough, we would need both 1st &... ML: Nope, not interested Wash media report: We were in talks with the Saints about moving up to 5. See how easy it is.
Yup....can't blame them though.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:17 am to LSUZombie
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if they will trade Cam Jordan
Highly doubt this considering we'd be down to just Galette/Haralson on the edge. We'd get murdered in the run game.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:18 am to LSUZombie
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but the Saints want impact players now.
This team is not 1-2 draft picks away from contention. If this is their thinking, they have a funny way going about it. For as much as this team throws the ball, Cooks, Colston, Brandon Coleman and Josh Hill are a piss poor sack of receivers if there ever were any.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:20 am to Meep
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For as much as this team throws the ball, Cooks, Colston, Brandon Coleman and Josh Hill are a piss poor sack of receivers if there ever were any.
You could say the same about Colston, Henderson, Meachem, and Moore in 09. Just saying.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:25 am to Chad504boy
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worth this type of trade up value are QB, DT, CB, LT and maybe WR.
Weird cause bust % on many of these are way high.
true, but you don't avoid drafting a player due to previous players' busts. you draft based on evaluation of him and if you think he is a blue chip prospect. OLB also has a high bust rate if I am not mistaken. RB is usually the safest pick. I would guess Safety as well.
My point is more towards the premium of the positions. That's what makes these players so much more valuable than others. Some teams value OLB higher, but for the most part is seems to be a second tier position
Posted on 4/8/15 at 9:27 am to Midget Death Squad
Nah, I think the impact of a Fowler type player in our Defense is huge and Saints could put a lot of premium on it. Or we can sit back and draft Shane Ray and watch him go all Michael Sam out in the NFL for us.
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