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Deion Jones & Darron Lee make ESPN's list of most overrated prospects
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:55 pm
for the 2016 draft
This guy is also on there.
So is this guy.
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Deion Jones, LB, LSU
Most good linebackers are also good athletes, but not every athletic linebacker has success in the NFL. Jones can wow with his athleticism, and that has many analysts projecting him as an early-round pick. Unfortunately the tape doesn't back up his case as an early rounder. The LSU product ranked 130th out of 145 linebacker prospects in this draft class, grading poorly both against the run and in coverage. His run woes stem from an inability to get off blocks, while also sometimes being slow to diagnose plays, inviting second-level blocks from offensive linemen. He missed one out of every 5.3 tackle attempts, which ranked 114th in the nation. In coverage, the flashes are great -- during one Senior Bowl practice, he broke up a pass on a crossing route while playing cover-3, a route combination that crushes NFL defenses on a weekly basis -- but he was far too inconsistent on a snap-to-snap basis. He had as many lapses in coverage as he did big plays.
Darron Lee, LB, Ohio State
Lee is similar to Jones, but Lee hasn't been nearly as bad on the field. The problem with Lee are his projections as a first-round pick. He's an explosive player, but when it comes to beating blocks in the running game or playing a clean game in coverage, Lee hasn't produced as one would expect from a top pick. There are certainly some highlights -- his pick-six on a bubble screen comes to mind -- but Lee still graded at minus-.2 in coverage, good for 74th among linebackers in the class, while grading at minus-3.4 in coverage in 2014. He has been solid against the run at plus-15.6 over the past two years, but he has 25 missed tackles on 134 attempts during that time, a similar rate as Jones. Lee's best work has come as a pass-rusher (plus-20 over the past two seasons), but he's lacking in key areas to be considered in the first round.
This guy is also on there.
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A'Shawn Robinson, DL, Alabama
There's a lot to like about Robinson's game, but he's lacking in an extremely important area: pass-rushing. Built like a classic 3-4 defensive end, Robinson is stout against the run, ranking 13th in the nation each of the past two years, but he has done little to affect the quarterback so his projections at the top end of the first round don't add up. As a pass-rusher, he ranked 197th in 2014 and 115th in 2015, so massive improvement needs to be made for him to be considered more than an early-down run stopper.
So is this guy.
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Vadal Alexander, G, LSU
While it may be harsh to put Alexander on this list, as he's projected to play guard in the NFL, his work at right tackle for LSU was one-dimensional at best. He graded negatively in pass protection each of the past two years, including a minus-6.1 mark that ranked 96th among offensive tackles in the class. He also ranked second in the class with 12 penalties. Alexander fared a little better in the running game where his plus-5.8 grade ranked 33rd in the class. For a guard conversion, however, we'd like to see more dominance at the point of attack. Alexander is a late Day 3 prospect, at best.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:59 pm to L.A.
Good thing the Saints hate LSU.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:59 pm to L.A.
I think most scouts overrate LSU players nowadays. They figure they will blossom in the NFL once they get some real coaching.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:04 pm to BigPerm30
Debo's stock is definitely back down to earth... I've seen him back in the 3rd, and falling to the 4th. Back to that Kwon territory.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:01 pm to L.A.
I didn't read all that, but Debo being mocked in the 2nd always seemed absurd to me. There's a reason he couldn't really get on the field at LSU until his 4th year. I'm not sure what that reason is, but his 1 nice season with his ridiculous 40 time never equaled 2ND round to me.
I'm a fan, though. Hope he goes high and has a great career. I just wouldn't take him in the 2ND. Or likely the 3rd.
I'm a fan, though. Hope he goes high and has a great career. I just wouldn't take him in the 2ND. Or likely the 3rd.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:33 pm to L.A.
Debo= good in pass coverage, but PFF has him bottom 5 among draftable LBs vs the run.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:55 pm to L.A.
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Darron Lee, LB, Ohio State
Lee is similar to Jones, but Lee hasn't been nearly as bad on the field. The problem with Lee are his projections as a first-round pick. He's an explosive player, but when it comes to beating blocks in the running game or playing a clean game in coverage, Lee hasn't produced as one would expect from a top pick. There are certainly some highlights -- his pick-six on a bubble screen comes to mind -- but Lee still graded at minus-.2 in coverage, good for 74th among linebackers in the class, while grading at minus-3.4 in coverage in 2014. He has been solid against the run at plus-15.6 over the past two years, but he has 25 missed tackles on 134 attempts during that time, a similar rate as Jones. Lee's best work has come as a pass-rusher (plus-20 over the past two seasons), but he's lacking in key areas to be considered in the first round.
I think that's pretty fair actually. But I still think Lee is pretty interesting prospect. Shazier from OSU got nitpicked a lot when he was a prospect. He's been pretty good when healthy.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:03 pm to L.A.
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The LSU product ranked 130th out of 145 linebacker prospects in this draft class
Being in the bottom 10% is extremely Overrated?
Thats pretty brutal, ESPN.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 1:40 am to L.A.
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but he has done little to affect the quarterback
Someone doesn't understand the role of a DT in bama's defense
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:03 am to Lester Earl
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Debo= good in pass coverage, but PFF has him bottom 5 among draftable LBs vs the run
By watching last year's games I feel like it's the opposite. He was always making big plays against the run and in coverage he looked unathletic and out of control.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 5:35 am to EazyBreesy
Don't believe it just watch. Fact is, a lot of the players rated "at the top" will be busts.
Debo will exceed expecations.
Debo will exceed expecations.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 9:11 am to L.A.
I like Cravens better than both.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:59 am to EazyBreesy
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By watching last year's games I feel like it's the opposite. He was always making big plays against the run and in coverage he looked unathletic and out of control.
I didn't watch him every play, but it seemed like the plays he made against the run were either on run blitzes or him making a play 1 on 1 with the RB. I'm not sure he's ready to take on 330 pound pulling guards in the NFL. But if a 215 pound 4.3 OLB can't isn't athletic enough to cover, I'm not sure there's a place for him. I disagree with you about that, however--I think he covers plenty well.
I also think he can likely get after the quarterback with the right DC who would utilize his speed. It doesn't seem he was asked to do that a lot at LSU.
One good thing, though, you know he'll contribute on special teams from day 1.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:19 am to Hot Carl
I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to Kam Chancellor him.
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