re: Daniel Jeremiah Mock 5.0

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Because teams have no idea who will be available when they're picking

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I clearly stated that it would have to be a team with a pick higher then where Benjamin is projected or a team that is willing to trade up to take him ahead where he is projected. That was my whole point in bringing up Tim Tebow as he was an example of someone who was selected ahead of where many mocks had him being taken.

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So I guess it's now impossible to draft someone ahead of where all the mocks have him projected because as you know all mocks are always 100% spot on.

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WTF does that have to do with anything?

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This whole time you have been going off of where Benjamin is projected to be selected by all these mock drafts.

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No not all.

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That is the entire point I've been trying to make this whole time.

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No you started with a theory of him potentially getting a promise which you've slowly backtracked from because hopefully you realized how stupid it was.

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I haven't backtracked from anything. I gave an example of a player being taken before the mocks had him going in Tim Tebow.

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Drafted before mock drafts had you going and given a promise a month before the draft aren't the same thing.

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My original post was hypothetical & not a definite. At no point did I ever say or lead to believe on that is exactly what occurred. You were the one who jumped in with all your definites. What I made it loud & clear that what I said was a possibility & not a fact. You were the one that was rumble...this is how it is & this is how it goes down...rumble....rumble!!!

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Yeah I said that definitely didn't happen because it definitely didn't happen.

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BigBrod81

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I think it's obvious you came into this thread to argue, which I aplaud bc I do that alot. Unfortunately I'm not sure you even know what you are arguing about anymore.

The fact is that he's either lazy or retarded. If some team is going to take him early out of the blue and he talked to him, why would he have to sabotage his stock. There's contradictions in almost every progression of your argument and somewhere around the end of the 2nd page, you started talking about mocks and Tim Tebow which is an almost completely uncomaparable situation. Now you're obsessingover this mock thing which no one ever brought up (I checked, you are the first person to type about mock drafts) while greatly blending in personal mud slinging cause you got nuttin'.

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& teams will put out false info in an attempt to get other possible suitor to go sour on a player.

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Teams, yes; players would be dumb for it though. Unless you are like a lock for the top 5, trying to lobby for where you want to go is foolish. No one knows how the shite will actually shake out. In fact someone already put it perfectly into words how dumb it would be:

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Because teams have no idea who will be available when they're picking. "Hey, Kelvin, we promise you that we'll pick you if available oops LOL we never expected Cooks to be available but he is. You probably shouldn't have blown that coach off."

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So yes, he's either lacking work ethic, or foolish
So your opinion which is no opinion at all but a suggested situation still does not reflect well on Mr. Benjamin


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I find it quite hilarious that some act like they have never followed the NFL draft or the weeks leading up it. Believe half of what you hear.

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You're trying to hard to place yourself on a high horse man. We've explored all possible conclusions, even your crazy unrealistic possibility and we still draw the same conclusion; it was a mistake.

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You're trying to hard to place yourself on a high horse man.

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No I'm not. I will explain this one more time in one place so that it is not spread out in hopes that you understand but I doubt it since you seem very close minded.

I brought up Tim Tebow as an example a player that was taken way before most mock drafts had him going. He was picked 25th in the 1st round by the Broncos when most mocks had him going in the 3rd round. There are more examples of reaching for players but Tebow is one the more recent & most talked players that was reached for in the draft.

I brought up mock drafts because most mocks have Benjamin going late in the 1st or early in the 2nd & that seems to be what everyone is assuming. What if a team has him higher on their board then these mocks do? This type of stuff happens every year. What's so hard to believe that one team could have a 6'5 240 lbs receiver in their top 10-15 or possibly in their in top 10 when other teams may not? One team could possibly have Benjamin rated higher then Evans at receiver.

If said team was currently outside of picking in those areas but was looking to trade up, wouldn't that team want to do whatever possible to keep Benjamin on the board so that they could make their move? That's where the sabotage theory comes into play. There was just an article just a few weeks back about how Ryan Leaf & his agent sabotaged a workout with Jim Mora & the Colts. No one can say these things don't happen.

I never said it was a definite but anyone with logic would agree it could be a possibility. To say his agent would be stupid to agree to something like this is shortsighted. If that team looking to move up is passing team where Benjamin could put up big numbers before heading into his second contract then yes it would be in his best interest to listen, hypothetically speaking, of course.

Benjamin is a border line 1st rounder at best. There is NO WAY he or his agent would sabotage a workout based on another team liking him. That is crazy. He has always been an enigma. He has the physical talents, but the mental aspect of the game and his dedication has always been questioned. I would not want the Saints to pick him. There is too much bust potential with that guy.

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Brandt wrote on Twitter on Thursday that Benjamin “blew off” a workout with an NFL coach who had made a special trip for the occasion. According to Brandt, Benjamin’s reason was that “he was too tired.”

That’s obviously not the kind of thing that helps a player’s draft stock, so it’s not surprising that Benjamin’s agent, Eugene Parker, told Brandt that Benjamin never blew off a workout. Brandt, however, doesn’t believe Parker’s denial: Brandt reiterated that he’s sticking with the story of the source who told him that Benjamin blew off the workout.

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This has the smell of being a smokescreen written all over it but the hell do I know, right?