- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Cooks was pretty expendable
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:14 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:14 am
Great read that says a lot about just how good Michael Thomas is. I could see him being an all time great. According to the data, Cooks is not a good route runner while Thomas is an absolutely elite route runner. Losing Cooks sucks but I doubt this offense skips a beat. Snead was a better route runner as well.
Reception Perception - Canal Street Chronicles
Reception Perception - Canal Street Chronicles
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:58 am
7
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:21 am to UptownG504
Like I've been saying, a lot of Saints fans saw Cooks as Steve Smith, Antonio Brown esque when I think in all reality the Saints just saw him as a Kenny Stills or Devery Henderson type WR. Would I love to have him back? Absolutely, but I also love having Ramcyzk here and wouldn't re-do the trade whatsoever.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:23 am to DudeK2
the thing with Cooks is we really dont even know what he can be yet. He's younger than Thomas for goodness sake
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:26 am to Lester Earl
But has also been in the league for 2 more years and hasn't mastered route running. Thomas has. Interesting how a 4.56 WR gets open significantly more often than a 4.33 WR. Shows that speed isn't the end all be all in the NFL and explains why other slower receivers have been very successful in the past.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 3:33 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:28 am to Lester Earl
It's tough to coach fear out of a player
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:42 am to UptownG504
quote:
But has also been in the league for 2 more years and hasn't mastered route running. Thomas has. Interesting how a 4.56 WR gets significantly more separation than a 4.33 WR.
easier to also get separation from a #2 CB than a #1 CB for most of the year. Easier to also get separation from a slower corner as opposed to a fast one that they stick onto your fastest guy.
Its hard to say we can "replace" Cooks with Thomas when they both play different roles.
Cooks had 78 receptions, 66.7% completion rate, and caught them 10.24 yards from the LOS
Thomas had 92 receptions, 75.4% completion rate, and caught them 7.61 yards from the LOS
Snead had 72 receptions, 69.2% completion rate, and caught them 7.99 yards from the LOS
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:44 am to DudeK2
quote:
Like I've been saying, a lot of Saints fans saw Cooks as Steve Smith, Antonio Brown esque when I think in all reality the Saints just saw him as a Kenny Stills or Devery Henderson type WR. Would I love to have him back? Absolutely, but I also love having Ramcyzk here and wouldn't re-do the trade whatsoever.
Same here.
I think Ginn will do fine taking the top off of the defense.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:47 am to UptownG504
I liked Cooks, but more for his potential than his actual performance.
There were times when it seemed he was really playing as well as he seems to be able to.
But those times were frustratingly few and far between.
There were times when it seemed he was really playing as well as he seems to be able to.
But those times were frustratingly few and far between.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:01 am to htran90
Regardless of who Cooks was lined up against, the data shows he's a below average route runner (actually below the nfl average). Antonio Brown, Dez Bryant are lining up against number 1 corners and the data shows that they are elite route runners in terms of separation. Also it's not like Thomas didn't have his share of matchups against number 1 corners last year. The #1 corner doesn't face the #1 WR on every play. That's not how it works. We will miss Cooks but the main point still stands. Cooks isn't all that versatile, hence him playing such a different role.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:11 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:59 am to UptownG504
I get what you're saying but "below average" route runners aren't catching the ball 10 yards from the LOS at almost 67% completion %. Esp when Cooks is seeing a lot of help to neutralize his speed.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:11 am to UptownG504
Drew Brees is one of a handful of QBs that can throw WRs and TEs open. Yeah Cooks is a really good WR ,but Micheal Thomas is better, Snead and Ginn will pick up the slack,and Fleener and Coleman will have better numbers this year. Plus with signing Adrian Perterson and Drafting Kamara it is a sign that the Saints will be more committed to the run. My hope is this team can eat up more of the clock to take some pressure off of the Defense. I know 5k yards looks great on the stat sheet ,but I would love to see Drew throw in the 4600-4700 yard range and trading those extra yards in the running game. That would mean the offense is chewing up more clock and playing less from behind.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:13 am to theducks
They are when Drew Brees is throwing it to him. Do you think those charts are just made up or some sort of colorful illustration? You literally can't argue with them. He's gets open significantly less then those other guys. They are pretty detailed too and cover a bunch of different coverages and routes...He's a very good receiver, but not because of his route running ability that's for sure. Dude is rigid as hell
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 3:06 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:53 am to htran90
quote:
Its hard to say we can "replace" Cooks with Thomas when they both play different roles.
You know what Brees has lacked since being our QB? A true No.1 WR. Most of our WRs were either speed guys or possession receivers. No L.Fitz, D.Bryant, types.
Look at this list
Top 10 WRs
Who didnt make it? Who is No.7 as a rookie?
Cooks was good in the role he played, but he was never going to be THE guy. He had 2 years to do it and couldnt. A rookie comes in and is damn near a lock at catching any pass. We made the right choice.
Ginn will do just fine in Cooks absence.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:54 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:59 am to breauxmosexual
Are you suggesting Brees throws into coverage then? Which is it?
I'm not saying the chart is wrong, but how useful the information is.
I'm not saying the chart is wrong, but how useful the information is.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 3:02 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:01 am to saintsfan1977
quote:
Look at this list
Top 10 WRs
you do realize if you click on #2 WR tab, Cooks is ranked there.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:05 am to theducks
what do you mean which is it? He does't win separation as frequently as Thomas. Can you read? I literally don't understand why everyone in here insists on arguing over every little thing on here. We are all saints fans. uptownG shares a good read on Thomas and Cooks with facts that literally cannot be proven wrong, and people still come in to argue over the facts. It's a pretty amazing spectacle.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 3:09 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:10 am to breauxmosexual
quote:
what do you mean which is it? He does't win separation as frequently as Thomas. Can you read?
which is interesting when you go to that NFLcom link:
Michael Thomas: 2.38 yards of separation per target
Brandin Cooks: 2.83 yards of separation per target
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:18 am to htran90
They are two totally different things. The first is the % of plays Thomas gets open on every single route he runs. The second is the number of yards of separation per target. So the first measures how often he gets open. The second measures how much separation they have when they do get open. So Thomas gets open much more often than Cooks. That's why he has more targets. But good on you for proving my point about being an abrasive piece of shite.
The first is measuring every single route they run during games. The second is measuring 8-10 routes per games or when they are targeted. Cooks is usually pretty open when Drew targets him, usually when he burns someone deep or gets left in space, not because he's running crisp routes. That's more of a measure of his speed than his route running ability
The first is measuring every single route they run during games. The second is measuring 8-10 routes per games or when they are targeted. Cooks is usually pretty open when Drew targets him, usually when he burns someone deep or gets left in space, not because he's running crisp routes. That's more of a measure of his speed than his route running ability
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 3:24 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 4:09 am to htran90
quote:
you do realize if you click on #2 WR tab, Cooks is ranked there.
A #2 WR? You mean like Willie Snead? Get over Cooks. He is no longer a Saint, never will be a Saint again, and we are in alot better position now than if he was here.
#1 WRs dont grow on trees, but #2's do. Snead was an UDFA. He will be our #2 and we wont miss a beat. He runs better routes than Cooks. We wont even miss his speed, We have Ginn.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 4:14 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 6:55 am to saintsfan1977
To the OP, thanks for sharing this article 
Here's the other thing about Cooks that I absolutely will not miss, catching a quick pass and then hitting the deck. Thomas and Snead never back down. How many rookies don't fear going against Sherman 1 on 1 and then make him look silly? I'll wait
Here's the other thing about Cooks that I absolutely will not miss, catching a quick pass and then hitting the deck. Thomas and Snead never back down. How many rookies don't fear going against Sherman 1 on 1 and then make him look silly? I'll wait
Page 1 of 4
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News