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Consensus big board for NFL draft - updated
Posted on 4/8/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 4/8/24 at 2:27 pm
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Post-Draft EDIT:
In case you were wondering, the consensus big board had Fuaga at 13 and Kool-Aid at 27. Hard to argue these weren't value picks, particularly Kool Aid. And Fuaga fills the Saints greatest need.
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Instead of arguing about where a prospect is ranked, let nerds do the work!
It's interactive so you can see the outlier rankings, good or bad. Interesting to see the players with a wider range of evaluations, like Jayden Daniels.
Consensus Big Board
Post-Draft EDIT:
In case you were wondering, the consensus big board had Fuaga at 13 and Kool-Aid at 27. Hard to argue these weren't value picks, particularly Kool Aid. And Fuaga fills the Saints greatest need.
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Instead of arguing about where a prospect is ranked, let nerds do the work!
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For the fourth consecutive year, I've put together a visualization of the consensus big board drawing from the most popular boards, which include A to Z, 33rd Team, Bleacher Report, Brugler, CBS, Campbell, Draft Diamonds, DraftTek, Espn, Mock Draft Database, NFL.com, PFF Big Board, Tankathon, TDN Big Board, Pauline, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, PFN, Nystrom, NFL Draft Buzz, Draft Countdown, Teets, Erickson, Great Blue North, Mel Kiper, Daniel Jeremiah and The Athletic.
It's interactive so you can see the outlier rankings, good or bad. Interesting to see the players with a wider range of evaluations, like Jayden Daniels.
Consensus Big Board
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 8:23 am
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:03 pm to Handsome Pete
Jared verse at 14? Sign me up.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:59 pm to htran90
I'm a big fan of Thomas.
I want to give the new OL coach a chance to work with Penning and also see if Young can be salvaged at DE.
If those both workout then the Saints till need a WR and Thomas could be special
I want to give the new OL coach a chance to work with Penning and also see if Young can be salvaged at DE.
If those both workout then the Saints till need a WR and Thomas could be special
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:12 pm to Handsome Pete
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Interesting to see the players with a wider range of evaluations, like Jayden Daniels
Bc he's not going to be a good pro.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:30 pm to whodat22
Arnold is another player i wouldn't mind grabbing. Impressive kid.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:27 am to Handsome Pete
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Instead of arguing about where a prospect is ranked, let nerds do the work!
This is interesting to look at, but the problem with these things--just mocks in general, but certainly a consensus of several--is that by the time the draft rolls around, every year fans (not us on ST, we are way above that
) convince/delude themselves that these accurately reflect the consensus of the actual teams' big boards. And they're just not. At least for confident organizations that have a clear vision for the traits they're looking for, their ability to identify them, and trust in their scouting departments' evaluations. And don't care about what post-draft grade they're given. Almost all fans wind up judging a draft simply based on the perceived value of each pick, with those perceptions being based solely on these mocks. How many spots lower can you get a guy than his ranking. That's it. You got the consensus #5 overall guy at 14? GREAT pick!! You took the consensus overall #28 at 14? Who plays the same position? HORRIBLE pick!! You should be fired!!! Despite the fact that, in that hypothetical, the team clearly had the #28 player ranked higher than the #5 one. I used the Saints and OTs (Alt from Notre Dame is at 5 and Guyton from OU is at 28) because it's easy to understand, and I recently saw a mock on YouTube (may have been a couple of PFF guys, but not 100% sure) and one of the guys didn't love Alt for some reason. He still had him as his #1 tackle, but there was something he didn't love about him, maybe him being 6'9" might be a detriment to blocking shorter, speed-rushing edges.
They didn't love Latham or Mims (didn't like how little football Mims played in college. Way too few snaps. Remember the correlation--that still exists, I believe--with the number of games QBs started in college and their overall NFL success that was talked up so much for a while? This was similar to that. Like there is a clear delineation of college snaps that correlate to NFL success. Provided they have the requisite physical traits. Which leads me to Fashanu from Penn State. I think they were concerned with his lateral movement in pass pro--said he got beat some laterally, but his arms were so long and he was so strong that he could overcome it by just stoning them as soon as he got his hands on them. But he may not have ideal traits for a zone blocking/rushing team. And the Saint may just not be able to get over his abnormally small hands (for a human, much less what you hope will be a Pro Bowl LT).
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:58 am to Hot Carl
They both really seemed to like the Fautanu guy from Washington. (I'm not sure this was a true mock as much as them just talking about guys at certain positions, and these are not meant to reflect my personal takes at all btw). Thought he was probably the most versatile OL in the draft and the guy most guaranteed not to bust as an NFL OL, though not sure where he'd settle. They thought he could play tackle at "only" 6'4" and would be devastating in the run game. But that may be too short for some teams to take a tackle at 14. It probably would have been for the Saints before the new offensive staff was hired. Maybe they've adjusted the traits they're looking for.
But this dude is ranked consensus 18. How bad would this place freak out if the Saints took him at 14 if Fashanu (10), Fuaga (13), and Latham (16) were still there? Not that he would be a reach at 14, but that "we could have traded back to 18, gotten another pick, and STILL got him!!" Putting aside the fact that you need a trade partner, what if the Saints just really like Fautanu and have him ranked significantly higher than those other 3 and don't want to take that chance? If we love him that much, chances are some other team does too. Any fan who says "we could have traded back (however many spots) and still got "insert specific player" is a fricking moron. All it takes is 1.
You want to play the value game to a certain extent, of course--The Broncos should't take Michael Pratt at 12, no matter how much Sean may like him--but not at the expense of losing the right player. There's been a little buzz lately on the Yale tackle who's ranked 71 on here. What if the Saints have him ranked as the #1 tackle on their board, #12 overall, and he's BPA when we pick at 14? AND Alt is still there? But they like the Yale kid more. (What the frick with the names of all these tackles this year? Jesus Christ.).
Do they take Alt (cause he's the better perceived value and will get you a better grade from the draft experts and fanbase) and cross your fingers you were the only team to properly identify and evaluate him and he's still there at 45? Are you willing to take a player you like less higher because you know he won't be available when you pick again, but the player you actually like better might? You don't want to be reckless with pick value, but you also don't want to be reckless in thinking you know every other team's board. Because all it takes is 1.
But this dude is ranked consensus 18. How bad would this place freak out if the Saints took him at 14 if Fashanu (10), Fuaga (13), and Latham (16) were still there? Not that he would be a reach at 14, but that "we could have traded back to 18, gotten another pick, and STILL got him!!" Putting aside the fact that you need a trade partner, what if the Saints just really like Fautanu and have him ranked significantly higher than those other 3 and don't want to take that chance? If we love him that much, chances are some other team does too. Any fan who says "we could have traded back (however many spots) and still got "insert specific player" is a fricking moron. All it takes is 1.
You want to play the value game to a certain extent, of course--The Broncos should't take Michael Pratt at 12, no matter how much Sean may like him--but not at the expense of losing the right player. There's been a little buzz lately on the Yale tackle who's ranked 71 on here. What if the Saints have him ranked as the #1 tackle on their board, #12 overall, and he's BPA when we pick at 14? AND Alt is still there? But they like the Yale kid more. (What the frick with the names of all these tackles this year? Jesus Christ.).
Do they take Alt (cause he's the better perceived value and will get you a better grade from the draft experts and fanbase) and cross your fingers you were the only team to properly identify and evaluate him and he's still there at 45? Are you willing to take a player you like less higher because you know he won't be available when you pick again, but the player you actually like better might? You don't want to be reckless with pick value, but you also don't want to be reckless in thinking you know every other team's board. Because all it takes is 1.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:02 am to htran90
Lost me w/JD @ 9
Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:37 am to Hot Carl
I don't know. I'm as guilty as anyone. I'm no expert talent evaluator. I could be talked into or out of just about anybody we take or pass on. As a matter of fact, I'm almost certain I will, because I do it every year. Every single year. But I don't care about the draft grade (well, maybe a little). You could get an "A" on all these mock site's grades by just taking their big boards' BPAs every time you pick. Just set it to auto draft like in fantasy football.
But I like that the Saints have a vision and certain physical and character traits they're looking for, typically put BPA ahead of need, believe in their ability to identify guys no matter what school they come from or how recognizable their names are, and seemingly make picks with strong conviction. They don't care about anybody's grades but their own. That's how you get drafts like the '06, '16, and '17 classes. Unfortunately, it's also how you get the '14 and '15 ones. But I'd rather us be aggressive. Granted, it was a lot easier to draft that way with Drew and Sean. They were great insurance and could cover up some whiffs on some drafts. Not so much now, though.
This one is going to be so interesting. DA has to hit on almost every pick. We need to come away with 2 starters, 2 others in the 2-deep, and another 1 that makes the roster. Like 5 of the 53 need to come from this draft or UDFA class. And that's gonna be hard without a 3rd or 4th rounder. And how much power will DA even have? You can't cut your coach off at the knees and hamstring him in a year where he's fighting to keep his job. But you also can't forfeit what's best for the future of by drafting strictly for what would help the '24 team the most. Who will wield the most power in that draft room that weekend? It would be fascinating to get a peak behind the curtain.
I don't think Mickey knows much about personnel (and he knows it), he just defaulted those decisions to Sean and now DA and let them know about the financial implications--I'm sure he's vetoed a small handful of signings and picks based on money we've had tied up into certain positions, but I doubt ever on personnel. Is this year going to be different? Does Jeff Ireland have a stronger voice? I'm sure he's always been heard, and him and Sean likely had some pretty intense, pressure-filled "discussions" when we were on the clock, but I think Sean always had the final say. He had so much political capital from basically Day 1 until he left. His job was never in danger. He was always gonna be back and have to be the one to eat his draft day decisions. But again, what about DA?
I think maybe the most fascinating thing about the power structure of this year's "War Room" is not just that DA is likely on the hot seat and this could very well be his final year, but did they already hire his replacement in Kubiak and will he be in the room, planning a coup, plotting his usurpation.
But I like that the Saints have a vision and certain physical and character traits they're looking for, typically put BPA ahead of need, believe in their ability to identify guys no matter what school they come from or how recognizable their names are, and seemingly make picks with strong conviction. They don't care about anybody's grades but their own. That's how you get drafts like the '06, '16, and '17 classes. Unfortunately, it's also how you get the '14 and '15 ones. But I'd rather us be aggressive. Granted, it was a lot easier to draft that way with Drew and Sean. They were great insurance and could cover up some whiffs on some drafts. Not so much now, though.
This one is going to be so interesting. DA has to hit on almost every pick. We need to come away with 2 starters, 2 others in the 2-deep, and another 1 that makes the roster. Like 5 of the 53 need to come from this draft or UDFA class. And that's gonna be hard without a 3rd or 4th rounder. And how much power will DA even have? You can't cut your coach off at the knees and hamstring him in a year where he's fighting to keep his job. But you also can't forfeit what's best for the future of by drafting strictly for what would help the '24 team the most. Who will wield the most power in that draft room that weekend? It would be fascinating to get a peak behind the curtain.
I don't think Mickey knows much about personnel (and he knows it), he just defaulted those decisions to Sean and now DA and let them know about the financial implications--I'm sure he's vetoed a small handful of signings and picks based on money we've had tied up into certain positions, but I doubt ever on personnel. Is this year going to be different? Does Jeff Ireland have a stronger voice? I'm sure he's always been heard, and him and Sean likely had some pretty intense, pressure-filled "discussions" when we were on the clock, but I think Sean always had the final say. He had so much political capital from basically Day 1 until he left. His job was never in danger. He was always gonna be back and have to be the one to eat his draft day decisions. But again, what about DA?
I think maybe the most fascinating thing about the power structure of this year's "War Room" is not just that DA is likely on the hot seat and this could very well be his final year, but did they already hire his replacement in Kubiak and will he be in the room, planning a coup, plotting his usurpation.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:32 pm to Hot Carl
You know QB is going to be reached, especially the 4th and 5th QBs, so we are getting some serious top 10 talent dropped down to us.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:51 pm to Handsome Pete
No chance Daniels falls to 9. There would be 8 pretty embarrassed teams in a couple years if that happens.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:53 pm to whodat22
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Bc he's not going to be a good pro.
He'd be a lot better pro than that head case Caleb Williams
Posted on 4/9/24 at 4:19 pm to Handsome Pete
The only realistic prospect that scares me is OT JC Latham.
Seemingly every single first round Bama OT over the past 20 years has underwhelmed relative to their pre-draft hype. But much like the sad history of Ohio St QBs, watch Latham pull a CJ Stroud and make fools out of the doubters.
Seemingly every single first round Bama OT over the past 20 years has underwhelmed relative to their pre-draft hype. But much like the sad history of Ohio St QBs, watch Latham pull a CJ Stroud and make fools out of the doubters.
Posted on 4/27/24 at 7:26 am to Handsome Pete
In case you were wondering, the consensus big board had Fuaga at 13 and Kool-Aid at 27. Hard to argue these weren't value picks, particularly Kool Aid. And Fuaga fills the Saints greatest need.
If you want to be glass half empty, you can always search for the analyst that dislikes or downgrades a player (past the top few picks), its what makes the draft fun, and keeps the trolls trolling.
If you want to be glass half empty, you can always search for the analyst that dislikes or downgrades a player (past the top few picks), its what makes the draft fun, and keeps the trolls trolling.
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