re: Chris Carter was asked just now....

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1. Rivers is better, or at least in the 1st tier with Rodgers.

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Yeah--I thought twice about this one and came to the conclusion I'd rather Rodgers than Rivers--sometimes Rivers just comes off as immature and a distraction. He's probably just as talented though--but I think his teammates feed off his immaturity and it shows in their behavior. To me, the Chargers are one of the most undisciplined teams in the league.

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2. Not sure how you can put Favre in tier 3 considering how well he played last year.

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Again--a good point. I guess I'm just factoring in Favre's age/injuries. Before last year, I think you'd agree his level of play was on the decline.

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3. Not sure how you can have Schaub ahead of Romo.

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I'm a big fan of Matt Schaub's...have been for a while now. Tony Romo--not so much. Just when I think he's progressing, he goes and lays another egg in a game. Romo always seems to save his worst game for last.

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Rodger would be my pick. He's good and also runs when needed.

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he is a good QB is younger than Brees and everything, so he would be a lot of people's pick, but to say he didn't learn anything from watching Favre on the sideline about 3 years is boderline retarded like some guys are sayin, if Rodgers had started off on a bad team where he had to start right away like Harrington did, I doubt the praise would be as high as they are today!

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for what?

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that shows Aaron Rodgers would not be in the league anymore if he started as a rookie.

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but if you are sayin as the other poster did that Rodgers didn't learn anything from Favre standing there on the sidelines holding a clipboard, well, I can't help stupidity!

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I didn't say that, so it would appear the stupidity is yours. Ideally I think QB's should sit a year, maybe 2, but plenty have started as rookies and even had bad rookie years and still wound up good QB's. Some crap out, I don't think for example that sitting behind Farve would have helped Harrington or JaMarcus, those guys just didn't have it and in JR's case (as well as David Carr) he didn't work hard enough

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I guarantee he learned that from watching Brett Favre

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really no one but people that have played with Brett Favre has pocket awareness? You don't think maybe he aready had that or that the coaches could have taught him?

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Tier 1

Brees
P Manning
Brady
Rodgers

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when did he join tier 1?

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reading comprehension 101, that comment was made about Harrington not Rodgers

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Rodger's on the other hand watched Favre on the sidelines for awhile and learned, if he had to start right away like Harrington did in Detroit his arse would be out the league also from being shell shocked from hearing footsteps.

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You were saying something about reading comprehension?


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Once again, Rodgers learned a lot watching Favre all those years, if he was thrown to the wolves like Harrington was in Detroit, people wouldn't be singing or praising him now!

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I've already explained that as being sarcastic

so what the hell is so funny? I'm sure Harrington is still in the league somewhere holding a clipboard!

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so what are you being sarcastic about? Harrington being out of the league? Who cares if he is holding a clip board I get the point, its the same thing. Sure sounds like you are saying if Rodgers had to start from day 1 he (Rodgers) would be out of the league (or holding a clip board) so which is it?

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and as for your pocket awareness comment being taught by coaches no, they can try and simulate it in practices, but I'm sure Rodgers stood and watched how Favre avoided pass rushes well as Favre passing him some tips on how to do it!

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so professional coaches CAN NOT teach pocket awareness, but Brett Favre can and or it is something that can be learned by standing on the sidelines and just watching? That makes a lot of sense!

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Ignorance is bliss!

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you ought to know

I never said Rodgers did not learn anything from sitting behind Favre, just that it is not necessary. Howevah, Favre does not strike me as a guy that would take a young QB under his wing and teach him. Favre seems like a selfish prick, I could be wrong, but the bottom line is sitting behind Favre probably helped Rodgers, but was not necessary with good coaching and a good offense.

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all had to do was watch and observe, that's not hard to do!

and I just told you coaches can only simulate pocket awareness in practice, on the field it's a different beast!

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so what you are saying here is coaching is irrelevant. Just sit and watch a HOF QB is all that is necessary. Also you are saying simulating a pass rush does not help, but merely watching someone else from the sidelines does.

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and yes, so you can finally comprehend, if Rodgers started off somewhere else since Day 1, doubt a lot of you clowns would be singing his praises!

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Again its seems it is you who can not comprehend. I've challenged this point of yours from the get go. You are saying if Rodgers had been drafted by SF instead of Alex Smith, that Rodgers would have sucked and may be just a back up or out of football by now. Somehow, despite the fact that most QBs, (actually all the top QB's in the league now save for Rodgers), have some how managed to develop the skills to play QB at a high level despite NOT sitting behind Favre, but Aaron Rodgers would not be one of them. That the ONLY reason he is now regarded as a top tier QB is because he played behind and was able to observe Brett Favre up close. With out that bit of good fortune, he'd be out of the league or a 3rd stringer somewhere. Its not his talent or the coaching he received before and after getting to the NFL, he is good ONLY because he sat behind Favre.

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(as well as David Carr)

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Carr was sacked until he suffered shell shock. He was a quality QB, but just took waaaaaaaaaaaay too many hits.