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re: Chris Carter was asked just now....
Posted on 8/27/10 at 4:11 pm to Tiger Khan
Posted on 8/27/10 at 4:11 pm to Tiger Khan
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Let me know when Rodgers wins a playoff game...and Greenbay's overrated Defense stops giving up 50+ pts to elite offenses..
so why is the defense Rodgers responsibility? Before last year Brees had 1 playoff win and the Saints were coming off 7-9 and 8-8 seasons. If a year ago at this time some one had said they rather Eli Manning over Brees you would have been fine with that?
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Posted on 8/27/10 at 4:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
So whats the argument?
Marino > Montana > Dilfer
Marino > Montana > Dilfer
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
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so you'd take Dilfer over Marino?
That's a terrible comparison. Brees's play has been on the level with Manning and Brady for the most part over 2006-2009, but those two always got the edge because of championships. Yes, it's obviously a team game, and yes I would absolutely take Rodgers over Eli and Big Ben. But what else do you really have to go to when players are pretty much even stat wise and have very similar talent around them? We need to see more of Rodgers in the playoffs to be able to put him in the same league as those other 3. He had great moments vs. Arizona, but when it came down to it at the end, he made a really bad play to end the game. Brees, Manning, and Brady would have stepped up in the pocket and gotten rid of the ball, Rodgers held onto it and gave up the game ending sack.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:10 pm to THRILLHO
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Manning, and Brady would have stepped up in the pocket and gotten rid of the ball, Rodgers held onto it and gave up the game ending sack.
Mannings choked away more playoff games than he has cone through in clutch situations.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:11 pm to tigerguy121
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Mannings choked away more playoff games than he has cone through in clutch situations.
100% correct
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:12 pm to bomber77
That's fine if you think so. I just think people ignore Rodgers' pocket presence. Yes, his OL is pretty bad, but he contributes to a lot of his sacks just like Manning/Brees/Brady make their OL look better by avoiding them.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:30 pm to THRILLHO
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Posted by THRILLHO
That's fine if you think so. I just think people ignore Rodgers' pocket presence. Yes, his OL is pretty bad, but he contributes to a lot of his sacks just like Manning/Brees/Brady make their OL look better by avoiding them.
That's a different argument then the one you previously posted. Pocket presence isn't the same thing as playoff success. He is a 2 year starter and u can't tell me that the big 3 were any better in their 2nd year than Rodgers last year.
Little crazy to use that one play to judge Rodgers too. I remember Brees having a similar predicament against the bears in 07 playoffs
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:46 pm to tigerguy121
Brees is better now than he was in 06. Look at that play, Rodgers had a good bit of room to step up and he was actually pulling the ball back in, so he would have held onto it even longer.
If you don't think the arguments relate, that's fine. Consider it two separate arguments. Pocket awareness that doesn't compare to the big 3 and he needs to prove something in the post season. I'm not saying he needs to win a SB to be in the same tier as those guys, he can make it a big 4. But unless his typical production starts being noticeably better than Manning/Brees/Brady (which is pretty much impossible), he needs to win a SB before I would take him over one of those three for a single season. And it's moot because Brees was better statistically last season AND won the SB (with a better OL but better targets, IMO).
If you don't think the arguments relate, that's fine. Consider it two separate arguments. Pocket awareness that doesn't compare to the big 3 and he needs to prove something in the post season. I'm not saying he needs to win a SB to be in the same tier as those guys, he can make it a big 4. But unless his typical production starts being noticeably better than Manning/Brees/Brady (which is pretty much impossible), he needs to win a SB before I would take him over one of those three for a single season. And it's moot because Brees was better statistically last season AND won the SB (with a better OL but better targets, IMO).
Posted on 8/27/10 at 5:49 pm to JS87
Rodgers is a hell of a quarter back and I'm sure has surprised a lot of us with his talent. I think he would do well in our system but I don't know about his leadership skills. Drew is a great leader and expects the best out of everyone if your going to step on the field with him. Leadership + talent is why I'd choose breece.
Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:for what? he's not in damn Detroit anymore, besides I just used him as example they are others such as the recent JR debacle, comin out of college Harrington was ranked higher than Rodgers!
link?
quote:as is your sarcasctic meter, I'm sure Harrington is still in the league somewhere holding a clip board, but if you are sayin as the other poster did that Rodgers didn't learn anything from Favre standing there on the sidelines holding a clipboard, well, I can't help stupidity!
Maybe so, but to say he wouldn't be in the league if he had to start is laughable and just stuoid speculation on your part.
This post was edited on 8/27/10 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:21 pm to tubucoco
a lot of you on here talk about Rodger's pocket awareness, I guarantee he learned that from watching Brett Favre!
Posted on 8/27/10 at 6:50 pm to Blitzed
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Drew is a great leader and expects the best out of everyone if your going to step on the field with him. Leadership + talent is why I'd choose breece.
Hard to argue with this thinking!
Posted on 8/28/10 at 12:02 am to chalmetteowl
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i like when they say "if you're starting a team". well you want to win now, not in 5 years, so take the better player
So you'd take Brett Favre before Matt Ryan???
Posted on 8/28/10 at 12:03 am to tubucoco
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if you are comparing Rodgers to Peyton Manning that in it's self is assinine!
If you read my post and THAT is what you comprehended from it, then that is assinine.
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if he had to start right away like Harrington did in Detroit his arse would be out the league also from being shell shocked from hearing footsteps
Yea, Rodgers would be out of the league, LOL.
Classic.
Posted on 8/28/10 at 12:05 am to Tiger Khan
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Let me know when Rodgers wins a playoff game
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Greenbay's overrated Defense stops giving up 50+ pts to elite offenses
Unreal that you can say the 1st quote with a straight face then follow it up with the second quote.
Just unreal.
Posted on 8/28/10 at 12:07 am to H-Town Tiger
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and 8-8 season
Yeah, that was Drew's fault... what were his numbers again?
Posted on 8/28/10 at 12:07 am to THRILLHO
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Brees, Manning, and Brady would have stepped up in the pocket and gotten rid of the ball, Rodgers held onto it and gave up the game ending sack
This thread is gonna make my head explode before I finish reading it.
Posted on 8/28/10 at 12:12 am to tubucoco
Rodger would be my pick. He's good and he also runs when needed.
Posted on 8/28/10 at 1:23 am to Tiger in Texas
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I don't know what is Carter's problem, but the only QB you could put over Brees at this point in his career is Manning. Brady is not the same QB he was 3 years ago, & while Rogers, Rivers & Romo are all the best of the rest, but again, the only one at this point in time playing above or on par w/ Brees is Manning.
I laughed at that btw. Go look up Brady's yardage, QB rating, and td/int ratio for last year and get back to me. I guess you're technically correct, because its tough to match the greatest season a QB has ever had, but try not to look like a complete and utter homer/moron please. As for the answer to the question, I would take Rodgers hands down. Kid is young, looks to be a good team player, and he threw 70 yards in the air against Detroit. BBbballin.
Posted on 8/28/10 at 3:37 am to DevilDogTiger
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Yeah, that was Drew's fault... what were his numbers again?
Your reading comprehension skills couldn't possibly be any worse.
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