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Byrd Signing Bigger Than Revis

Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:17 am
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:17 am
HERE

some espn insider wanna post the relevant inside part?

NFL history affords many instances of a cornerback joining a team and vaulting it to a championship. Herb Adderley, Mike Haynes and Deion Sanders all bolstered their already strong Hall of Fame cases by doing so, adding Super Bowl rings to their collections in the process.

This type of cornerback historical background is part of the reason the New England Patriots' signing of Darrelle Revis has been met with plenty of praise. However, that acquisition might not even be the most impactful offseason secondary signing in the NFL, as the metrics and game tape show that the New Orleans Saints' signing of free safety Jairus Byrd to a six-year, $54 million deal will have a bigger impact.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:24 am to
April fools!
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:27 am to
quote:

some espn insider wanna post the relevant inside part?

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:27 am to
I'd rather a turnover forcing safety any day of the week, especially if you have a good corner already on the team.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:40 am to
I remember this post on reddit. LINK



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Is it possible that the NFL is wrong about the value of safeties? I went and researched how many Super Bowl champions since 2000 had an All-Pro at safety. To be included the player had to be an All-Pro within one year of the Super Bowl. My findings were very interesting:




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Amazingly there has only been one Super Bowl winning team since 2000 that didn't have an All-Pro at safety. One! Perhaps even more astonishing: since 2000 only three teams have won a title without a safety that was at least a 3-time All-Pro.


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Clearly having an elite safety is critical to winning a title. Perhaps more critical than we ever suspected.
Given this, should safeties be drafted higher and paid more than they are? How valuable is 3 time All-Pro Jairus Byrd? Is it possible that an elite safety is more valuable than an elite edge rusher? WR? CB? O-Lineman? They are all drafted higher and paid more than safeties typically.




If you need any more proof, look at what is has done for NFL teams lately. Safety play is very important. The Saints have a young, good defensive line to go along with a dynamic secondary that just added a ball hawk. That's a deadly combination.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 9:52 am to
We all know what a giant step change of improvement the D made last year. We can crow about the statistical rating but know they were not quite yet to the dominating type level most associate with the seachickens or niners. I truly believe they're poised to make that next step. There were a number of games last year where the defense carried the weight to a win. The next step is hearing the media narrative change. Prediction: by the end of the 2014 season when the media talks about the Saints it will be just as much about the dominating defense as the prolific offense. That is, headlines will be 'Can the ______ get by the Saints Defense?' as much or more as '________ Face Challenge of stopping Brees and the Saints'.
Posted by Hazelnut
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 11:29 am to
Very interesting find
Posted by bountyhunter
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 12:26 pm to
The one year that didn't have an all pro safety was 2007 Giants; they compensated with the nastiest D-Line since the Buddy Ryan Eagles era. The Giants could have had 10 men on defense and left a safety on the bench or doing jumping jacks in the end-zone when the opposition can't get a receiver past the 10 yard mark before the QB is on the ground.

52 Sacks, 749 tackles combined on the year... nuts. Fact is, you need to get the turnovers to win. You can get them from fumbles, ints, or sacks/positive field position (in a low-scoring game). Having a good safety is going to be how we're going to get them. Byrd was a great signing for this team.
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 1:12 pm to
The thing I'm most excited about is how well Kenny and Byrd compliment one another. You have a safety that can play up in the box, is a tackling machine and is aggressive. The. You have a true center fielder out there playing ball hawk.


It's awesome.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 2:05 pm to
KC Joyner is always writing that the Pats reign is over. Hes got a weird bone to pick with the Pats

But its probably true though. The talent difference between Byrd and Jenkins is a lot bigger than Revis and Talib
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 2:21 pm to
I'll believe that the Pats reign is over when I see it.


I realize they haven't won a Superbowl in a long time, but they have consistently been in the mix. That's all you can ask for a team. They have been more dominant than any other team, and have won more than any other team has under this stretch with Brady and Bill. They'll be right back in there again this year.

I'm hoping for that kind of maintained consistency with the Saints. We had the 06 season of reaching the NFC title then 2 down mediocre year. 3 straight great seasons with a Superbowl title, then the fricking bounty gate fiasco happened and took a year away. I don't think that team would've done much that year, but with Payton they likely sneak into the playoffs somehow. But who knows, maybe without that happening they don't get the defense into the kind of shape it's in now. Regardless the Patriots way of winning 10+ games every year is what I hope for.


Still hoping for a Pats/Saints superbowl. I think I've tried to predict that happening for the last 3 years. It's bound to happen.
Posted by MrExclusive
Member since Mar 2014
97 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

We all know what a giant step change of improvement the D made last year. We can crow about the statistical rating but know they were not quite yet to the dominating type level most associate with the seachickens or niners. I truly believe they're poised to make that next step.




I agree with everything you've just said but the sad reality is that it won't matter what the defense does, the media DGAF about us



ETA: what I meant was that no matter how the defense performs, we will never get the amount of attention and respect that those aforementioned teams get
This post was edited on 4/1/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 4:26 pm to
Yeah it truly does seem like all the superbowl champs of late all had badass safeties
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:15 pm to
We don't need media attention we need the Lombardi. Hard nosed ball hawking defense gets the Lombardi and the media attention.
Posted by fightingtigers98
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:16 pm to
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Medium pass-depth coverage

Last season, Buffalo (Byrd's 2013 team) ranked third in the league in Total QBR allowed on medium-depth passes (defined as aerials thrown 11-19 yards downfield). This was an area where New Orleans did a terrible job, as the Saints' 96.7 Total QBR ranked 29th.

One main reason for the performance difference is how these teams fared in medium-pass YPA. The Bills' 7.4 YPA here was the best in the NFL, while New Orleans' 10.0-yard mark ranked 17th. That was the main reason the Bills had a roughly 1-yard lead over the Saints in vertical YPA (9.54 for Buffalo, 10.59 for New Orleans). (Note: Vertical passes are defined as targets thrown 11 or more yards downfield)

If Byrd's addition can merely lower the Saints' medium YPA by a single yard, which is less than half of the medium YPA difference between these teams last season, it should knock off roughly 100-120 yards from the Saints' overall total (given the average number of medium-depth passes defenses typically face in a season).

Vertical pass ball hawking

Where Byrd really makes his biggest impact is in the area of ball hawking. Buffalo was one of the most dangerous teams to attempt a vertical pass down the middle against last year. According to ESPN Stats & Information, the Bills intercepted 12.9 percent of vertical aerials thrown between the numbers, a mark that ranked second in the league.

That wasn't a 2013 anomaly, either, as Buffalo has the leaguewide lead (9.3 percent) in interception rate on those types of throws over the past five years, a time frame that corresponds with Byrd's entry into their defensive backfield.

Not all of this can be attributed to Byrd, but he does have 22 interceptions in that time frame, a total that ranks second in the league and first among free safeties, so he deserves a good amount of credit.

By contrast, New Orleans ranked 22nd in that category in 2013 (5.2 percent) and tied for 29th over the past five seasons in that category (4.4 percent).

If Byrd is able to raise the Saints' total here by 4 percentage points, it should add three interceptions to their bottom line (using their 2013 total of 77 vertical passes thrown down the middle). That percentage level (9.2 percent) would be roughly equal to Buffalo's pick rate in that category over the past five seasons but would be well short of what the Bills posted in 2013. If Byrd can move New Orleans into the 10-13 percent interceptions-over-the-middle rate, the Saints could see their pick total increase by as many as six.

That number could go even higher due to the Saints being able to use this part of Byrd's game in a different manner than Buffalo did. The key here is if Kenny Vaccaro is able to return at full strength following his late-season injury. Vaccaro's varied skill set (Saints defensive coordinator Rob Ryan recently said he was the best safety in the league) should allow him to take over the box safety and slot coverage responsibilities that the Bills had Byrd assume on more than a few occasions. This would let Byrd to stick to playing center field and give him even more opportunities to showcase his interception skills and return the ball to a high-powered Saints offense.

Bottom line

Football statisticians have estimated that interceptions are worth about 45 yards. Using that as a benchmark, it can be said that Revis' bottom line impact is likely to be about 175.5 yards on the low end (175.5 yards on coverage improvement, zero yards on interceptions) and 202.5 yards on the high end (202.5 yards on coverage improvement, zero yards on interceptions).

Under that same system, Byrd's bottom-line impact is likely to be about 255 yards on the low end (120 coverage yards saved on medium passes, 135 yards on three interceptions) and 390 yards on the high end (120 coverage yards, 270 yards on six interceptions).

Both of these signings were championship-caliber coups, but Byrd's acquisition solves a bigger secondary issue for the Saints. That isn't to minimize what Revis will bring, as I expect the Patriots' defense to be even better this season with him taking Talib's place as New England's top corner. But the overall improvement Byrd will provide the Saints surpasses what Revis will provide the Pats, as his versatility and ball skills not only bolster the D but will lead to the creation of more scoring opportunities for Drew Brees and the offense. That makes him the most impactful secondary position free-agent signing of this offseason.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 6:27 pm to
Thanks. Some very good stuff.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112294 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:04 pm to
Thats long winded as frick just to basically say "Revis>>Talib but Byrd>>>>>>>Jenkins"
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
Member since Aug 2011
41187 posts
Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:17 pm to
Having either Revis or Bryd is a huge advantage. You're effectively shutting down a good portion of the field and allows you to take more risk or roll coverage to other areas.

I'm excited about not just pairing him with Vaccaro, but Lewis, who showed he's a legit, shutdown corner last year. That's a huge portion of the field being taken away from teams. It's going to be hard to pass against us.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:18 pm to
But espn sucks and has no credibility anymore.....right?
Posted by adono
River Ridge
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Posted on 4/1/14 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

If you need any more proof, look at what is has done for NFL teams lately. Safety play is very important. The Saints have a young, good defensive line to go along with a dynamic secondary that just added a ball hawk. That's a deadly combination.


Very nice job on this one!

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