Are these DEs 3 down DEs?

Barnett

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Are these DEs 3 down DEs?

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Barnett

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Nope

Barnett is serviceable at the college level but he will be mauled in the NFL in the run. Too often he tries to chase ball carriers before defeating his blocker and he gets pushed out of position. This can be fixed with coaching but I have serious doubts about his ability to hold up against NFL tackles at the POA, especially if/when on the strong side. He, like Myles Garrett, would fit much better in a 3-4 system where they can set the edge and force everything outside instead of trying to force everything back inside in the 4-3.

I'm not saying he can't defend the run but I wouldn't want him on run downs. He's such a valuable pass rusher (bends the edge like a motherf*cker) that I wouldn't want him getting worn in the run game.

ETA: If the Saints were still 3-4 he would be my pick.

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The other guys are more pass rush specialists who are better pass rushers than either Barnett or Allen.

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Who do you have over Barnett as a pure pass rusher?

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Garrett

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Better than Barnett though? Garrett is a tremendous athlete but Barnett's technique is so much better right now.

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Thomas

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No.. just no.

Thomas is a good athlete but he's made his name and will make his money playing inside at 3/4/5 tech. His outside pass rushing game is not better than Barnett.

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Barnett is more consistent and better in all phases than most of these other guys.

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At rushing, yeah. Takk and Reddick are no where near Barnett's level. I can see a case for Garrett but his technique is shite.

I think Solomon Thomas is the next Jordan, I would love to get him. He's super athletic, has the build and experience to come in and start day 1. Pretty ideal frame/build for a 4-3 end; he was a top recruit out of high school and backed it up in college. I was hoping he would fall to us but after his impressive combine there's little chance of us snagging him outside of a costly trade up, as he will likely be a top 5 pick. TBH I wouldn't hate a move to grab him, even though I typically don't like the Saints tendency of trading up I think he is the real deal. That being said, I like the depth at DE this year and think Barnett is going to be the guy, I just hope 4-5 teams go QB/RB/WR in the top 10 so we can get the DLine talent we need SO badly.

I don't think Thomas is comparable to Jordan at all.

Thomas is not a prototypical DE in the 4-3 and his tweener status is gonna freak some GMs out. He can play edge but he has average to good quickness without any of the best edge rushing traits. He's insanely quick on the interior though where he can attack gaps or knock OLmen back with his initial quickness.

Solomon is the guy I wish Rankins was. I think Rankins is a lot stronger but Solomon's quickness and athleticism is so much better than Rankins'.

The most comparable guy in terms of stature and traits to Cam Jordan would be Malik McDowell.

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If Allen somehow fell, it wouldnt be the worst thing if we got him. Considering we have 2 very good pass rush DT's and an all around Cam Jordan. Would make Allen a great 1st and 2nd down DE as well as goal line imo. And then you could sub in Okafor or Kikaha to play DE in pass rushing 3rd down plays ala Bobby McCray. And it's not like Allen is horrible at getting to the QB either

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If we did this I could see Allen lining up at 5 tech next to Rankins and dropping a linebacker to play a Leo type position and making a hybrid 3-4 one gap front.

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone...

I read this whole thread and most defensive ends we could draft were analyzed but NOT Taco Charlton.

How does he stack-up ?

If teams go hurry up, you can't get the specialist on the field. Also, I don't want to draft a 1 down dude in the 1st. That 11th pick needs to be the man

He would also be a lighter Cam Jordan, as in 14 lbs. difference at the combine weigh in. That is not insignificant, and if he packed on 14+ lbs. he'd lose some of that speed edge.