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Anyone else see any reason not to double dip on edges in the first two rounds?
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:17 pm
The only DE we have worth a shite on the roster is cam. Kikaha is talented but his knees have to be a concern.
After those two, we have nothing. We have been bringing in alot of edge prospects that are graded as second rounders for private workouts, i think that signals our intentions of going edge in rounds 1 and 2.
How would you feel if instead of us going barnett at 11, we go McCaffrey/Trub/Watson/Howard/Reddick at 11, then at 32 get taco/tim williams/Mcdowell/Mckinnley, and at 42 snag Jordan Willis/Basham/rivers?
After those two, we have nothing. We have been bringing in alot of edge prospects that are graded as second rounders for private workouts, i think that signals our intentions of going edge in rounds 1 and 2.
How would you feel if instead of us going barnett at 11, we go McCaffrey/Trub/Watson/Howard/Reddick at 11, then at 32 get taco/tim williams/Mcdowell/Mckinnley, and at 42 snag Jordan Willis/Basham/rivers?
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Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:28 pm to JayWalkTiger
Not a bad idea. Might have to go with the top CB on the board at #11 in that scenario, though. All the 2nd tier CB's will probably be gone by our 3rd round pick.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:31 pm to JayWalkTiger
quote:
Anyone else see any reason not to double dip on edges in the first two rounds?
Yeah
Our CBs are worse than our DEs
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:33 pm to GMoney2600
Personally, I wouldn't mind...
11 - Barnett
32 - Watt
42 - Conley, Tre White, Kevin King, or highest ranked CB on the board.
A pretty good CB should fall to #42. I have a feeling that a run on DE's will go from 33-41...just like last year's draft. Watt could also develop into a legit OLB for us as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at DE or OLB.
11 - Barnett
32 - Watt
42 - Conley, Tre White, Kevin King, or highest ranked CB on the board.
A pretty good CB should fall to #42. I have a feeling that a run on DE's will go from 33-41...just like last year's draft. Watt could also develop into a legit OLB for us as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up at DE or OLB.
This post was edited on 4/16/17 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:36 pm to GynoSandberg
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Our CBs are worse than our DEs
We really just need 1 more legit CB though. We probably aren't going to cut Breaux, PJ Williams, Sterling Moore, or Crawley. You also have Swann & DeVante Harris as options.
Getting 2 DE's could be very beneficial for next season & in the long run. We really need to hit on this position for next year...taking 2 only increases those odds.
I'm not saying that I want to take 2 DE's but DE is the only position that I would even consider double dipping in.
A reason not to take 2 DE's is that it prevents us from acquiring a RB, OT, LB, or Safety in the top 3 rounds. If our FO has a very high grade on both of the DE's...I wouldn't have a problem with it. Can't just take 2 DE's, just to take them though.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 12:02 am
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:37 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Our CBs are worse than our DEs
True, but even good corners struggle without a pass rush. A good pass rush can cover up for mediocre secondary players.
Posted on 4/16/17 at 11:49 pm to GMoney2600
Our corners are fine the problem is the total lack of a pass rush. You can have the most talented DB's in the world and they will be hot garbage without a pass rush. But a great pass rush will make average to below average DB's look good. You can get by with bad DB's if your front seven is good.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:03 am to JayWalkTiger
I think you go for one in the 3rd, but we have more holes than just de that we double dip in top 2 rounds
I wouldn't be worried if pj Williams was healthy and played like how he did in 1.5 games over a season but that injury was scary.
I wouldn't be worried if pj Williams was healthy and played like how he did in 1.5 games over a season but that injury was scary.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 12:10 am
Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:04 am to JayWalkTiger
Best DE at 11
Best DB at 32
DeMarcus Walker at 42
Best DB at 32
DeMarcus Walker at 42
Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:13 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
Our corners are fine
Not really
Posted on 4/17/17 at 3:10 am to htran90
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I think you go for one in the 3rd
Not sure they make it that far, but I bet our FO would run to the podium for Tarell Basham or DeMarcus Walker at #76. I like Tanoh Kpassagnon(as far as value & potential) in the 3rd, but he looks like a huge project.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 3:12 am
Posted on 4/17/17 at 4:16 am to JayWalkTiger
I think one guy to look at toward the end of the draft is a Samson Ebukam, an edge rusher from Eastern Washington. Dude ran a 4.45 at his pro day.
Eastern Washington Pro Day
PFF Scouting Report
Eastern Washington Pro Day
PFF Scouting Report
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 7:27 am
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:03 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
Yeah Our CBs are worse than our DEs
Cornerbacks or nothing without qb pressure, I think edge rushers are more important
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:21 am to JayWalkTiger
I have zero issue with this. I really think Ryan Anderson from Alabama is a wild card in the second round.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:15 am to JayWalkTiger
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How would you feel
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:19 am to JayWalkTiger
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True, but even good corners struggle without a pass rush. A good pass rush can cover up for mediocre secondary players
Espn called they want their shitty, overused cliche back...
if you're a shitty CB, you can't cover anyone - it doesn't matter how much time a QB has or doesn't have
downvote away
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 8:21 am
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:24 am to Mr. Hangover
You are correct. It goes both ways as corner coverage helps a pass rush just as much as pressure helps out pass cover. You really need players that excel in both areas. If you're weak in one, it affects the other. Period.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:25 am to whodatfan
I'm not against the idea of double dipping on edge rushers but i am against the idea if we're doing it in a way to ignore value to a large degree and drafting pretty much based on needs in each of these selections. I still want the best players possible. We have a lot of positions shored up short term, not necessarily long term.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:37 am to JayWalkTiger
Maybe, there are a ton of good CBs out there that will be available 2nd and 3rd round.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:05 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:No. No they aren't . Not by a long shot.
Our corners are fine
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