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re: "All we need is a mediocre defense."
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:22 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:22 am to Patrick O Rly
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While the line is bad, the play calling isn't adjusting to it.
Running straight into the heart of their defense 3 straight plays when you needed one first down to ice it is not adjusting. Like I said yesterday, I agree with running it (finally), but we have to be more creative in that instance. Acknowledge what you can and can't do and go accordingly.
It was as if Payton was saying "you want me to run it? FINE!!!"
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Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:22 am to SaintLSUnAtl
Right. I don't see how bad line play would make your play calling bad.
We hardly run the ball, but we still do that hard play action. Derp.
We hardly run the ball, but we still do that hard play action. Derp.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:23 am to sicboy
That last offensive series drove me nuts. We needed a first down. It was just like New England, and we made Cam look like Brady.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:24 am to Patrick O Rly
quote:One way to mask a bad line is to run more screens.
While the line is bad, the play calling isn't adjusting to it
When we run screens, the board wants Payton's head on a stake.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:25 am to The Sad Banana
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Look, I'm not going to be one of those fire Payton types because he and Drew Brees are the best thing this franchise has ever had going for it.
Of course. That's the worst thing about this board. You can't criticize either without getting called out as jackass. If people can't see the issues this team has right now, I don't know what to tell them.
Payton is a GREAT head coach. His playcalling this season has left a lot to be desired. I'll say it again, I think he needs a fresh perspective, whether that be Carmichael or hire another assistant just to have another set of eyes. It seems to me it's the same plan every week. Throw the ball all damn day. Who cares if the receivers are covered and Drew has no time in the pocket?
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It's just maddening. Ingram for 8, see you in the third quarter.
This is my biggest issue. Hand off, big gain...sit down and we'll pass. If he DOES decide to hand off twice in a row and the second attempt doesn't gain 12 yards he's throwing it 8 times in a row. I just don't get it. You KNOW Carolina has a pass rush and you KNOW your oline is weak, so what do you do? Pass the entire first half.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:25 am to gadknot
quote:This is another thing that gets overlooked sometimes.
and to a lesser extent an aging WR corp who just cant get seperation
Sure there were a couple of plays where Brees held onto the ball forever and you would have liked for him to get rid of the ball, but mostly, no one is open.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:26 am to shel311
We run them too much in obvious situation. Teams expect it.
The best way to adjust to a bad o-line is by running the ball, with creative runs, overloaded lines.
The best way to adjust to a bad o-line is by running the ball, with creative runs, overloaded lines.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:28 am to shel311
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This is another thing that gets overlooked sometimes.
Sure there were a couple of plays where Brees held onto the ball forever and you would have liked for him to get rid of the ball, but mostly, no one is open.
Im not the sure the last time I saw seperation from anyone, except maybe stills downfield but by that time Drew is already on the ground.
Perhaps we could run the ball more but I really don't have any confidence in that working against anyone with a half way decent front 7
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:29 am to Patrick O Rly
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We run them too much in obvious situation. Teams expect it.
This. The screen is getting blown up way too often.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:32 am to gadknot
quote:Same here, that's probably why we're both not as up in arms as everyone else. I recognize the limitations and we just gotta roll with it.
Perhaps we could run the ball more but I really don't have any confidence in that working against anyone with a half way decent front 7
Maybe we can run on these types of teams and others are right, but I just disagree.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:34 am to Patrick O Rly
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The offense couldn't do anything with the ball when we did get a turnover.
This entire post is just another way of pointing out the problems we are having on the OL.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:36 am to shel311
Lack of turnovers is not the issue. Yesterday the Saints ran twice as many plays on offense as did the Panthers, and had a sizable lead in time of poss. You don't fault lack of turnovers by D when your offense is on the field twice as much as the other team. This is all on the offense - oline play, lack of speed at rb/wr; and Brees has been less than spectacular on the road. And, Payton's play calling is to put it mildly, puzzling at times.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:37 am to gadknot
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Perhaps we could run the ball more but I really don't have any confidence in that working against anyone with a half way decent front 7
The run game has worked ok WHEN THEY STICK WITH IT. I'm so confused. They don't get 15 yards on the first handoff, abandon running game. Drew throws 2 picks on the first two possessions while under constant pressure? 60 passes
I've tried to make the the point that even if the run isn't working all the great, even 2-3 yards a carry, the threat has to be there to make the defense respect it and give the playaction at least some chance, however small it may be, to work
Screens - blown up more often than not
Deep passes -
When Drew actually gets time the WR are usually covered Playaction - what's the point?
Run - 4.5 yard per carry....but it's not working
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:38 am to plawmac
This offense has bailed the defense out many times. They can return the favor and give us a short field every once in a while.
Anyone saying the lack of turnovers isn't an issue is just too mad at the offense.
Anyone saying the lack of turnovers isn't an issue is just too mad at the offense.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:41 am to shel311
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One way to mask a bad line is to run more screens.
When we run screens, the board wants Payton's head on a stake.
The screens were bad because they weren't working but they kept getting called. The run game was working and it felt like we never really gave it a chance. Ingram was running well, and he got limited touches that were sporadically spaced. Just bad play calling.
Having said all that, you can have bad line play and still have bad play calling. Brees was constantly under pressure yesterday. The line played like shite, and I'm not really sure how anyone could try to discount that.
tl;dr version: The line sucked arse and so did the play calling.
This post was edited on 12/23/13 at 8:42 am
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:42 am to gadknot
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Perhaps we could run the ball more but I really don't have any confidence in that working against anyone with a half way decent front 7
Carolina has a "half way decent" front 7 and we ran pretty effectively on them.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:45 am to Patrick O Rly
quote:people wont agree but we played one of the best defenses on the road and it poured down raining for part of the game......now the int. and settling for two field goals hurt us.....but csp played it right at the end on offense....you run the ball and make them use their time outs...the problem I have is that we punt the ball for hang time and give them great field position...at this point cam was done....pressure his arse and he is going to throw a bad ball...but no he has all day to throw and you can see him light up after the completion .... It does not matter how good they played all day when you let the other team score last..
They did get a turnover after a long drought, but the lack of turnovers doesn't bother me if we're forcing punts. The offense couldn't do anything with the ball when we did get a turnover
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:47 am to sicboy
quote:This year?
This offense has bailed the defense out many times
quote:We've given up 20 points or less in 11 of our 15 games this year. If you do that, creating turnovers is much, much less important.
Anyone saying the lack of turnovers isn't an issue is just too mad at the offense
When your defense is top 5 in yards per and points per game, you can't blame the offense not scoring points on lack of turnovers.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:49 am to shel311
The offense had two opportunities to simply run out the clock and win the game, despite their gutwrenching, miserable performance. They ran 6 plays and took less than 1 minute off the damn clock.
Posted on 12/23/13 at 8:56 am to The Sad Banana
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The biggest problem this year is playcalling on offense.
Other teams have our passing game figured out. We need a new angle.
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