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re: 90 Man Roster Depth Chart Post Rookie Minicamp 2015
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:47 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:47 pm to bonethug0108
Here is my very early guess to the 53 man roster
QB - 3
Drew Brees
Luke McCown or Ryan Griffin
Garrett Grayson (If Grayson beats out McCown & Griffin...then I guess we just go with 2 QB's)
RB - 4
Mark Ingram
CJ Spiller
Khiry Robinson
Marcus Murphy (Jalen Saunders makes the team as a returner/WR if Murphy doesn't make the team)
FB - 1 (I hope we don't keep Lorig around)
Austin Johnson
WR - 5 (we might keep 6)
Marques Colston
Brandin Cooks
Nick Toon
Joe Morgan
Seantavius Jones or Brandon Coleman
TE - 3
Josh Hill
Ben Watson
Harold Spears
OL - 8 (I think we stash a backup center on our PS)
Terron Artmstead
Tim Lelito
Max Unger
Jahri Evans
Zach Strief
Andrus Peat
Senio Kelemete
One of the 3 UDFA's for the last spot(Hickey, Lemon, & Gambrell)
LS - Justin Drescher
K - Shayne Graham
P - Thomas Morstead
DL - 7 (Maybe we just go 6 here, b/c some OLB's can play DE)
Cameron Jordan
Akiem Hicks
John Jenkins
Broderick Bunkley
Glenn Foster
Tyeler Davison
One of the 4 UDFA's for the last spot(Richardson, Barnes, Eulls, & Mabry)
OLB - 5 (kind of hard to fit them all in)
Junior Galette
Parys Haralson
Kikaha
Davis Tull
Anthony Spencer(He better be healthy...he has plenty of competition), Kasim Edebali, or Ronald Powell
ILB - 4
Stephone Anthony
Dannell Ellerbe
David Hawthorne
Ramon Humber
CB - 5
Keenan Lewis
Brandon Browner
PJ Williams
Kyle Wilson
SJB or Delvin Breaux
S - 5
Jairus Byrd
Kenny Vaccaro
Rafael Bush
Pierre Warren
Vinnie Sunseri
QB - 3
Drew Brees
Luke McCown or Ryan Griffin
Garrett Grayson (If Grayson beats out McCown & Griffin...then I guess we just go with 2 QB's)
RB - 4
Mark Ingram
CJ Spiller
Khiry Robinson
Marcus Murphy (Jalen Saunders makes the team as a returner/WR if Murphy doesn't make the team)
FB - 1 (I hope we don't keep Lorig around)
Austin Johnson
WR - 5 (we might keep 6)
Marques Colston
Brandin Cooks
Nick Toon
Joe Morgan
Seantavius Jones or Brandon Coleman
TE - 3
Josh Hill
Ben Watson
Harold Spears
OL - 8 (I think we stash a backup center on our PS)
Terron Artmstead
Tim Lelito
Max Unger
Jahri Evans
Zach Strief
Andrus Peat
Senio Kelemete
One of the 3 UDFA's for the last spot(Hickey, Lemon, & Gambrell)
LS - Justin Drescher
K - Shayne Graham
P - Thomas Morstead
DL - 7 (Maybe we just go 6 here, b/c some OLB's can play DE)
Cameron Jordan
Akiem Hicks
John Jenkins
Broderick Bunkley
Glenn Foster
Tyeler Davison
One of the 4 UDFA's for the last spot(Richardson, Barnes, Eulls, & Mabry)
OLB - 5 (kind of hard to fit them all in)
Junior Galette
Parys Haralson
Kikaha
Davis Tull
Anthony Spencer(He better be healthy...he has plenty of competition), Kasim Edebali, or Ronald Powell
ILB - 4
Stephone Anthony
Dannell Ellerbe
David Hawthorne
Ramon Humber
CB - 5
Keenan Lewis
Brandon Browner
PJ Williams
Kyle Wilson
SJB or Delvin Breaux
S - 5
Jairus Byrd
Kenny Vaccaro
Rafael Bush
Pierre Warren
Vinnie Sunseri
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 6:23 pm
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Posted on 5/18/15 at 7:31 pm to GMoney2600
Updated for post rookie minicamp.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 7:34 pm to bonethug0108
Think Murphy probably p squad material
Baker and Hightower will be interesting battle
Baker and Hightower will be interesting battle
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 7:39 pm to Chad504boy
Murphy looks like he can be a legit return man so I think it will be a real battle between him and Saunders. I do think the loser is PS bound unless someone snatches them up.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 7:44 pm to bonethug0108
May ride the cooks return wagon for a year
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:05 pm to Chad504boy
That was more overhyped by fans. Cooks has never shown to be a great returner. He had 20 total returns in college and didn't have great averages.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 8:08 pm to bonethug0108
Nah it was actually talked about by saints staff about roster. Remember hearing I think Payton not positive talk about it on wwl radio before draft leading up to it
Mentioned Byrd Cooks and maybe spiller in return game when the question was about Saunders
Mentioned Byrd Cooks and maybe spiller in return game when the question was about Saunders
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:17 pm to Chad504boy
Yeah I'm not saying they aren't going to try him there, just that he was never an explosive returner and we have better options (plus it would suck to lose him on a return). I don't see him winning the job.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:20 pm to bonethug0108
Even if he were a great returner, our WR corps is so poor that I'd rather not risk losing our potentially best WR in the return game. I think that we let the guy that was returning for us late last season (forgot his name) to keep the job and let Spiller take it over in big games if the other guy isn't kicking arse.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 10:31 pm to THRILLHO
Saunders. Him and Murphy are the front runners for the job imo. Just go watch some Murphy returns. The kid is super smooth and goes north/south with amazing change of pace and subtle but extremely effective moves.
Murphy
I think I saw him bust a reggie bush maybe once throughout the whole video, and then only because they had three guys in front of him. Kid loves to turn up field and go.
Murphy
I think I saw him bust a reggie bush maybe once throughout the whole video, and then only because they had three guys in front of him. Kid loves to turn up field and go.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 11:42 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
TE
Watson
Hill
Charles
Spears
Tabb
I'm looking forward to what Hill is going to do. Still hope Watson has some gas left in the tank, he's a good veteran presence.
but i just wonder if he's a guy who can produce 25-35 catches. Not exactly a slam dunk for a guy on the back end of his career. Shoot, even getting 25 catches from him would be a good thing to me.
Posted on 5/18/15 at 11:51 pm to LooseCannon22282
People tend to forget the Jimmy Graham factor and just how many targets he's been sucking from everyone. I want to say he's been at least two in targets every year since 2011, but most years one(if not every year).
Watson had about 20 catches each year as an afterthought in the passing game. Watson and Hill are both about to see a good jump in targets and they could both easily have 40+ catches with just 75% of Graham's targets going their way.
It wasn't like Watson was being targeted and dropping the ball or getting overthrown. He just wasn't getting balls his way because of the massive target Brees was fixating on.
Watson had about 20 catches each year as an afterthought in the passing game. Watson and Hill are both about to see a good jump in targets and they could both easily have 40+ catches with just 75% of Graham's targets going their way.
It wasn't like Watson was being targeted and dropping the ball or getting overthrown. He just wasn't getting balls his way because of the massive target Brees was fixating on.
This post was edited on 5/18/15 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 5/18/15 at 11:53 pm to bonethug0108
Watson averaged 6.8 YPC last year. He'll be 35. C'mon
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:01 am to bonethug0108
quote:
Watson and Hill are both about to see a good jump in targets and they could both easily have 40+ catches with just 75% of Graham's targets going their way.
since getting open is half the battle, hopefully people will just flat out not concentrate on Watson.
i hate to be a skeptic but unless he hits the fountain of youth one last time it could get rough.
maybe one of the newer unknowns will surprise. That's kind of what I'm banking on anyway.
it'd be cool to have an option similar to a Dwayne Allen. A guy who is a good blocker but a solid red zone threat.
i know they don't on trees but it sounds good.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:09 am to bonethug0108
And he averaged 11.9 the year before which is higher than 3 out of 5 of Graham's average ypc. Ypc is something that fluctuates dramatically each year and is dependent on many factors (highest being where the ball is caught).
Hell Graham had his carrer low last year and Watson had his fourth highest in 2013. You sure do love to nitpick one thing at a time to try to make your case.
Moving on I did some quick math based on Graham's average targets since 2011 and Watson's catch rate last year. If Watson and Hill see 75% of Graham's targets and it's divided equally among them they would each see about 52 more targets.
Figuring Watson's catch rate and his prior production the last two year's he would get about 54 catches.
Now that's assuming Hill doesn't become the "next Graham" and suck up much more of that share. But in that situation it's still a win for us.
Hell Graham had his carrer low last year and Watson had his fourth highest in 2013. You sure do love to nitpick one thing at a time to try to make your case.
Moving on I did some quick math based on Graham's average targets since 2011 and Watson's catch rate last year. If Watson and Hill see 75% of Graham's targets and it's divided equally among them they would each see about 52 more targets.
Figuring Watson's catch rate and his prior production the last two year's he would get about 54 catches.
Now that's assuming Hill doesn't become the "next Graham" and suck up much more of that share. But in that situation it's still a win for us.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:13 am to bonethug0108
Aside from the reverse handoffs, I've been wanting to see more of Hill. I really think he can be a stud. But Watson is old and slow as frick. He's not someone we can count on. I don't mind not targeting a TE in the draft since I think it's the 2nd lest important position on offense behind FB, but Watson is not going to be a good player in 2015. Adequate at best.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:19 am to bonethug0108
quote:
And he averaged 11.9 the year before which is higher than 3 out of 5 of Graham's average ypc. Ypc is something that fluctuates dramatically each year and is dependent on many factors (highest being where the ball is caught).
when you catch 20 passes in a season, 2 or 3 catches can inflate a YPC.
6.8 is terrible. Meaning they didnt even trust him to run routes downfield.
quote:
Figuring Watson's catch rate and his prior production the last two year's he would get about 54 catches.
lol he isnt sniffing 54 catches. He's caught that many balls once in his career.
Honestly if we had another capable TE on the roster, his job would be in jeopardy big time.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 12:23 am
Posted on 5/19/15 at 12:41 am to Lester Earl
I'm not predicting 54 catches for him because between Spiller and Hill I think he will see fewer targets than that scenario. That was just a what if to show how it is possible and quite reasonable if we decide to give him that big a share of Graham's targets.
I'm still pegging him for around 40 catches. I see Hill as much more of an x factor and could see him getting anywhere between 30-70 depending on just how good he looks. This is a guy that caught only 14 balls last year, 6 less than the finished Watson.
I expect Spiller to see first year Bush/Sproles type targets so that leaves a good portion of targets to divide among Colston, Cooks, and whoever else plays WR. I think Colston and Cooks each break 80 catches at least.
Of course all of this depends on health. Had Cooks stayed healthy we would have seen very near four 900+ yard guys (Graham falling just shy with Cooks on pace to go over). This year I only see three guys getting that close or over 1,000: Colston, Cooks, and Spiller.
I'm still pegging him for around 40 catches. I see Hill as much more of an x factor and could see him getting anywhere between 30-70 depending on just how good he looks. This is a guy that caught only 14 balls last year, 6 less than the finished Watson.
I expect Spiller to see first year Bush/Sproles type targets so that leaves a good portion of targets to divide among Colston, Cooks, and whoever else plays WR. I think Colston and Cooks each break 80 catches at least.
Of course all of this depends on health. Had Cooks stayed healthy we would have seen very near four 900+ yard guys (Graham falling just shy with Cooks on pace to go over). This year I only see three guys getting that close or over 1,000: Colston, Cooks, and Spiller.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 12:44 am
Posted on 5/19/15 at 1:43 am to bonethug0108
quote:
I'm still pegging him for around 40 catches.
I'd be shocked if Watson surpasses 35 catches. I'd happily bet you on that over/under, but I'd feel like I was stealing from you if I did.
Posted on 5/19/15 at 7:43 am to bonethug0108
My guestimation
Colston 65-85 receptions(He had 60 last year, with about 15 drops)
Cooks 90-110 receptions
Hill 40-60 receptions
Watson 20-40 receptions
I'm sure that Spiller will get a lot of receptions, but I really have no clue to even guess. I think Colston and Cooks both go over 1,000 yards. The 3rd leading receiver will be Spiller or Josh Hill. Hopefully Toon can add about 40 catches...or Seantavius Jones/Brandon Coleman breaks out. We need someone to step up as the #3 WR...plus we have Joe Morgan and his 6 catches for 300+ yards. Also, Josh Morgan has been a good #4 WR before...maybe he does it again here.
Colston 65-85 receptions(He had 60 last year, with about 15 drops)
Cooks 90-110 receptions
Hill 40-60 receptions
Watson 20-40 receptions
I'm sure that Spiller will get a lot of receptions, but I really have no clue to even guess. I think Colston and Cooks both go over 1,000 yards. The 3rd leading receiver will be Spiller or Josh Hill. Hopefully Toon can add about 40 catches...or Seantavius Jones/Brandon Coleman breaks out. We need someone to step up as the #3 WR...plus we have Joe Morgan and his 6 catches for 300+ yards. Also, Josh Morgan has been a good #4 WR before...maybe he does it again here.
This post was edited on 5/19/15 at 8:45 am
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