re: 2016 NFL unrestricted free agents by position

The idea of Ladarius Green in Sean Payton's offense gives me a chub. Biggest issue with him is staying healthy/concussions. That worries me but I'd still love it if we took a chance

You watch Denver, I know you see it


You watch Carolina, I know you see it


Watch Seattle, I know you see it




Bal, Pitt, SF etc over the years




I know damn well you know exactly what I'm talking about and it is an attitude from the coaches down to the players. We simply do not have that grit and desire to physically dominate the opponent. We don't want to



You cannot continue to avoid these players, every great D has a loose screw.

Changes that need to be made will never be made. New D line coach, former player/tough LB coach. Willis may be that but Vitt needs to lose his job still. We have Jeff Ireland so maybe he can convince Loomis and Payton that you need some tough physical men to win.





I do not believe we will ever win again unti some attitude is brought to this football team. Carolina has that attitude, they've spend 4 years building while we drafted soft player after soft player.

Jermaine Kearse and Ladarius Green would be great.

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He's been in the league a little while now and is still criminally underused. Usually the heir apparent doesn't get put on the back burner for years.

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My point exactly, Gates isn't some spring chicken to not have passed the torch. Graham went from situational/learning to play football his rookie year behind Shockey to record breaking tight end the next.

JJ Watt brings attitude and energy to his defense. Guys like him are infectious, they rub off on the team and they begin to play a certain way. Screw the talent we don't even go after guys of that mold.



Need some put you on your arse and get in your face after players. 2013 in stretches Lofton, Vaccaro, and Bush collectively brought that kind if energy to the team. Every snap those guys at least attempted to bring to the opponent. Vaccaro specifically brought a new energy to the team, you need to routinely find those spark plugs.








And as for your end statement once we get Treadwell all will be fixed.


Pretty much what you say also but that starts at the coaching and ours don't get it done.

Jason Jones
Hardy
Malik Jackson
Antonio Smith
Wallace Gilberry
Chris Clemons
Mike Devito



Vinnie Curry is finesse but very good at rushing





Red Bryant
Berry Coefild
Damon Harrison
Brandin Mebane
Nick Fairly
Henry Melton
Al Woods
Terrance Knighton


Sam acho
Bruce Irvin
Courtney Upshaw
Aldon Smith
Vincet Ray



Zach Brown

Damaro Davis



All upgrades over some of the trash present. Most if not all these guys instantly bring a new attitude to the field. In fact most of them are the on field violent defender I'm looking for.

You listed 20+ guys and of those list, I can glance and tell you there's a few things:

1. Splashy guys that we'd use all our cap on a single player
- Irvin, Jackson; more than likely Irvin goes to ATL or stays in seattle. Denver won't let Jackson leave unless its too much. In which case, we can't spend too much on a single player

Yeah you list guys like Jones, Harrison, Rey, Brown, and Davis, I can agree on. Younger guys who are productive.
2. Aging/Over the hill guys that aren't great
- Clemons, Smith, DeVito, Cofield; pretty much all are journeymen. You're better off with Kevin Williams who actually showed he can still play heavy snap counts

3. Guys who aren't leaders or "mean streak" players on their own team. Hell, more or less rotation players
- Curry, Gilberry, Acho, Upshaw, Mebane; Upshaw has been a disappointment, Curry is up and down, Jones is average at best, Gilberry is on a decline, Acho has been underwhelming, etc. Some of the players, sure you can get them as rotational at best.


4. Guys who are system players who have bounced around since they left the system or just weren't very good
- Bryant, Fairley, Woods, Knighton; case closed, they've all sucked. Hell we DRAFTED woods.

5. 100% true nutcases and guys who can't get their head on right no matter how many shots they receive. Hell you can't even depend on them to suit up.
- Hardy and Smith; off field issues, side line issues, and can't depend on them when you need it. Look at Dallas, Dez Bryant isn't the craziest person on the sideline that tells you someone is an issue.

Yeah you list guys like Harrison, Rey, Brown, and Davis, I can agree on. Younger guys who are productive.

We've been so bad on defense for so long it is hard to imagine the saints with a rounded team of good, hard hitting, fundamentally sound players. It is just hard to imagine and it is extremely frustrating.



I have a hard time blaming our players for the finnesse/softness it starts at coaching. The guys on the defensive side of the ball haven't got it done and we continue to not shake things up there. Things like warapping up Seattle and Carolina practice specifically, we do not. Seems like thier guys Sprint off the snap like track racers, ours get off the line slow as shite. That is effort lacking



Ireland will find physical players, the SEC talent, guys weve passed on for fricking Martez Wilson's and Akiem Hicks' of the world.



Just can't see it, the day we have a legit top 5-10 unit( not flukes of '10 and '13) Brees will be long gone




Can't blame the bounty shite either knowing Loomis would have wasted those picks on soft bust anyway.




Great feedback though in all seriousness

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Nah I think we should go after the tough guys. Brandon Browner and Vontaze Burfict types. Guys that leave all the flags on the field.

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