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2 Dunks, 1 Preseason game
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:48 am
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:48 am
I was thinking about this moment last night, and I remember how pissed I was at Graham's actions. I came here and made the statement that he was acting like a petulant child, and that these types of actions in the preseason carry over into the regular season. Looking back on this season, it seems that this was the case. The biggest issue with this team this year was immaturity and a sense of entitlement. Brees called out these players at one point, though not by name, and made the statement to the effect of they need to grow up.
Now I'm not saying all of the problems were a result of Graham's preseason actions, but it did play a large role in the overall demeanor of this team. Payton was furious after that garbage move by Jimmy, and he absolutely should have been. This team was acting childish all season long, and it has become apparent that Graham was a big part of that.
So, with that said, I don't think trading him was necessarily the right move, nor do I think it was the wrong one. I am legitimately on the fence with this one. If the Chris Mortensen report is true, then Jimmay had to go; you can't have players taking their contract beefs into the locker room, thus causing turmoil and disruption. However, I wonder how much truth there is to this. I don't think we will really know unless "named" sources come out and corroborate these allegations by "unnamed" ones. Regardless, the main problem here is a matter of immaturity. Is that an issue? Absolutely, but immaturity can be corrected with age and experience, and it is not something that should be trade worthy. Jimmay was not a Dez Bryant character problem; that's the type of thug you get rid of. I think given the time to grow as a person, he could've become a better locker room presence. Then again, maybe he couldn't. Like I said, I am on the fence.
It's the things we don't know that will ultimately determine if this really was the necessary move. The problem is we may never find these unknowns out. I have always defended Jimmy's play, and I still appreciate everything he did for us. He is a great player that we won't have anymore, and that's kind of sad. He also was a brat that threw his cereal on the ground when he didn't get his way. He is flawed, but he is still a good guy overall. He will be missed on Sundays, but here's to seeing Ingram and Cooks make him not missed quite as much.
Now I'm not saying all of the problems were a result of Graham's preseason actions, but it did play a large role in the overall demeanor of this team. Payton was furious after that garbage move by Jimmy, and he absolutely should have been. This team was acting childish all season long, and it has become apparent that Graham was a big part of that.
So, with that said, I don't think trading him was necessarily the right move, nor do I think it was the wrong one. I am legitimately on the fence with this one. If the Chris Mortensen report is true, then Jimmay had to go; you can't have players taking their contract beefs into the locker room, thus causing turmoil and disruption. However, I wonder how much truth there is to this. I don't think we will really know unless "named" sources come out and corroborate these allegations by "unnamed" ones. Regardless, the main problem here is a matter of immaturity. Is that an issue? Absolutely, but immaturity can be corrected with age and experience, and it is not something that should be trade worthy. Jimmay was not a Dez Bryant character problem; that's the type of thug you get rid of. I think given the time to grow as a person, he could've become a better locker room presence. Then again, maybe he couldn't. Like I said, I am on the fence.
It's the things we don't know that will ultimately determine if this really was the necessary move. The problem is we may never find these unknowns out. I have always defended Jimmy's play, and I still appreciate everything he did for us. He is a great player that we won't have anymore, and that's kind of sad. He also was a brat that threw his cereal on the ground when he didn't get his way. He is flawed, but he is still a good guy overall. He will be missed on Sundays, but here's to seeing Ingram and Cooks make him not missed quite as much.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 8:51 am
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:50 am to Midget Death Squad
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was thinking about this moment last night, and I remember how pissed I was at Graham's actions.
Really?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:51 am to Brettesaurus Rex
you need to keep reading
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:53 am to Midget Death Squad
quote:the saints don't really air their dirty laundry. I don't think we ever get the scoop
The problem is we may never find these unknowns out.
I just want to know who shite in benson's Mercedes that one time
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:54 am to Midget Death Squad
Link to the Mort Report?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:54 am to Midget Death Squad
I perused it. I just don't think Jimmy "being a locker room problem" was even close to main reason this trade happened. Could it have been a part of it that made it easier considering the supposed rift between him and Payton? Sure. But I don't take Loomis' words as just lip service. We need help on defense big time and this offense has shown it can still be high powered without Graham.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:54 am to Midget Death Squad
What was the Chris Mortneson report ? Sorry if it's benn covered but I missed it.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:55 am to DelU249
I just want to know who shite in benson's Mercedes that one time
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:56 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I absolutely do
the report we all dismissed about a rift between brees and graham became all too true during week 1. It was just so visible. His body language was different, everything.
I think it's the number 1 reason he's gone, even though they should have traded him before it ever happened.
the report we all dismissed about a rift between brees and graham became all too true during week 1. It was just so visible. His body language was different, everything.
I think it's the number 1 reason he's gone, even though they should have traded him before it ever happened.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 8:58 am to TigerWise
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What was the Chris Mortneson report ? Sorry if it's benn covered but I missed it.
He said that he spoke with an inside source of the Saints who told him that Jimmy was a "disruptive force in the locker room who was upset that he wasn't paid like a wide receiver." Finding this will be tough, because there are just too many postings everywhere on this trade. I read it on twatter at one point as well as heard Gus Kattingel talking about it on his show yesterday evening.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:01 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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I just don't think Jimmy "being a locker room problem" was even close to main reason this trade happened.
I agree with Scully; this was the main reason. The swiftness of it all, the lack of trade value we received and the team we traded him too (Seattle? Really??? Crap!!!) all say this was a desperate move. Desperate moves aren't made out of strategy; they are made out of passion. I think something transpired the last few days that made them say this is enough, and they went out and took the best deal they could find in a short period of time.
I could be wrong of course, but this seems to make the most sense.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:06 am to Midget Death Squad
It's definitely true he was upset about the whole WR/TE thing not going his way. Amd the way they handled it pissed off the organization. It basically blocked them from exploring trades last year but delaying the filing. Nobody wanted to touch him until that was sorted out.
On the dunks, I think Payton could have forgiven the first but the second definitely had Payton ready to cut his arse. He doesn't tolerate that shite.
Just from a personal stance I had no issues with the dunks.
On the dunks, I think Payton could have forgiven the first but the second definitely had Payton ready to cut his arse. He doesn't tolerate that shite.
Just from a personal stance I had no issues with the dunks.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:09 am to Midget Death Squad
I 100% disagree this was a desparate move. I think we were ready to trade him last year but had our hands tied by the grievance situation.
We got our biggest need on offense and a first.
And what is the one team Graham would not want to go to? Yeah this was a big f u to him over the stuff they pulled last year with the grievance.
We got our biggest need on offense and a first.
And what is the one team Graham would not want to go to? Yeah this was a big f u to him over the stuff they pulled last year with the grievance.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:09 am to TigerWise
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Chris Mortenson reported that Jimmy Graham was a distraction in the locker room. He was supposedly still upset about not getting wide receiver pay.
I have no idea how much, if at all, it played into the trade, but I do think there were some bad feelings still lingering from Jimmy's franchise tag battle last year. You had Sean Payton testifying against him, and Drew Brees on the radio stating that Jimmy was TE, and that the offense has managed without him, and can continue to do so.
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Instead, what emerged was a protracted and awkward legal battle. The two sides had to present their case in front of an arbiter in June, and that meant Payton testifying against his own player. Payton backed his employer, knowing that if the Saints lost, they might not be able to keep Graham, but even he didn't seem entirely comfortable with it. "I think it's a byproduct of a little bit of an antiquated system with regard to franchise numbers," the coach says.
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According to a source close to Graham, he was extremely annoyed when Brees -- who got a $100 million contract in 2012 after threatening to hold out if he got the franchise tag -- told a USA Today reporter he'd like to have Graham back but that if not the team could manage fine without him. The Saints had, after all, done just fine before he was drafted, Brees pointed out. Oh, and Graham was definitely a tight end in Brees' mind. The comments seemed to violate the agreement among NFL players that you don't talk about other people's contract situations. At the very least, it seemed like bad form to choose sides publicly in a fight between your teammate and your employer. That same source says Graham confronted Brees when the two bumped into each other at an offseason event. The quarterback tried to smooth things over, shifting the blame to the media, but Graham wasn't exactly buying it. (Brees and Graham weren't made available to comment on their relationship.)
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You have to wonder what effect all of this has had on the on-field dynamic, or lack thereof, between the Saints' star quarterback and his tight end. During a recent practice, Brees fired a pass to Graham in between two defenders, a perfect ball that practically whistled as it knifed through the sticky Louisiana air. It thumped off Graham's hands with an awkward thud, flopping to the ground like a bird that had just slammed into a sliding glass door. The quarterback looked away, avoiding eye contact. Graham, in turn, never once glanced back at Brees. Three plays later, Brees threw another perfect ball to Graham, this time for a touchdown, which Graham celebrated by elaborately pretending to dunk over an imaginary goalpost. But Brees, all business, already had his back turned, prepared to call the next play.
Again, it's impossible to say whether any of this had any influence on the trade, but it did seem like one or both sides weren't completely over what took place last summer. Jimmy definitely comes off as an immature dude. Once you combine that with it salary, his inability to block, and his case of alligator arms, it's not hard to see why he was traded. We got one hell of a return, IMO, for a player we didn't want, so I'm not upset at all with it.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 9:15 am
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:11 am to bonethug0108
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but the second definitely had Payton ready to cut his arse.
this was the big issue. The first wasn't cool, but the second was the equivalent of a brat throwing a tantrum when mommy tells him he can't play on the iphone. When you're a professional, that shite is really not ok. It shows he has zero respect for authority, and that he is a whiny little bitch.
What transpired this season shows that this shite was prevalent, never went away and was our biggest problem.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:12 am to bonethug0108
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Yeah this was a big f u to him over the stuff they pulled last year with the grievance.
Seems it also sends a shot across the bow of anyone else who wishes to be a malcontent in the locker room.
JG also seemed to never recover from Drew publically siding with the FO over the designation. Played pissed all year as even Bobby H noticed.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:13 am to mm2316
They weren't. The rumors last year about us wanting to trade Graham were true but the grievance shite kept us from doing so. And you can't let a guy like that just go without getting value back. He was an asset.
And did anyone notice Loomis called him an asset and not a player? This was definitely a personal thing.
And did anyone notice Loomis called him an asset and not a player? This was definitely a personal thing.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:15 am to goatmilker
the funny part is he didn't even side with them
some reporter asked him what position he plays, drew said tight end
he is a tight end!
some reporter asked him what position he plays, drew said tight end
he is a tight end!
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:16 am to goatmilker
Cutting Fortt, who looked very promising, after just a few months and then Morgan and benching KV was all a message. Payton was pissed to the max.
The Graham trade shows that no one is untouchable and if you don't do it Payton's way you will be gone.
The Graham trade shows that no one is untouchable and if you don't do it Payton's way you will be gone.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 9:18 am to bonethug0108
I think after all of the bullshite, they got the deal done and had to let some guys go and jimmy went on twitter and blasted them
let's you know how bad the relationship was...graham was really unreasonable throughout the process. the franchise tag didn't matter, they weren't going into the season without a deal, and now he has to go prove he's the beast everyone thinks he is in a new situation, in a wet and cold outside stadium, in a defensively tough division, with a new quarterback.
he really fricked himself, we made out pretty well.
let's you know how bad the relationship was...graham was really unreasonable throughout the process. the franchise tag didn't matter, they weren't going into the season without a deal, and now he has to go prove he's the beast everyone thinks he is in a new situation, in a wet and cold outside stadium, in a defensively tough division, with a new quarterback.
he really fricked himself, we made out pretty well.
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