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re: Would you prefer Asik or Monroe next to AD?
Posted on 5/27/14 at 1:33 pm to Suntiger
Posted on 5/27/14 at 1:33 pm to Suntiger
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I was just trying to point out that Asik hasn't proven he does this on a consistent basis yet.
Shirley you can't just compare raw production of players that play different amounts of minutes.
Per 36 rebounds last 4 years
Asik 14.1 14.0 13.0 11.1
Monroe 10.2 10.4 11.0 9.7
Rebounding percent
Asik 21.7%
Monroe 15.4%
Now there is a bit of a question of competition level, starting unit versus backups, but the minutes normalized numbers say Asik is an elite rebounder and Monroe is on the positive side of OK.
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Posted on 5/27/14 at 1:38 pm to Suntiger
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Asik hasn't proven he does this on a consistent basis yet.
Monroe has a career TREB% of 16.6 and averages 10.3 REB/36.
Asik is at 20.9 and 13.3 REB/36.
Monroe has played almost twice as many minutes (9600 to 5300) but the one season Asik played starter minutes (2400 first year in HOU), he put up rebounding numbers roughly consistent (actually better than) with what he has done in limited time
Posted on 5/27/14 at 4:57 pm to TigerinATL
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players that play different amounts of minutes.
That's part of the consistency issue. He's only had one year of "starter minutes". And he's already 27. Who knows if he can do that year in and year out. And who knows if he can handle those minutes when AD hits his prime.
I'm not saying Monroe is a better defensive center. He's not. I'm just saying don't name Asik the next Bill Russell or anything just yet.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 5:53 pm to Suntiger
Well he has been stuck behind Joakim Noah and Howard.
He averaged 9/11 in 19 starts this past season averaging 27 mpg
Right along with his 10/12 in 30 mpg as a starter the year before
Asik would lead the league in rebounding if he got 35 mpg. Can defend inside all the way out to the perimeter.
I like Monroe but he isn't in the same realm as Asik when it comes to rebounding and defense, much like Asik doesn't stack up offensively to Monroe
This team has enough guys who needs shots. Bringing in Asik could save Dell and Monty their jobs. I think it's too smart of a move, thus they would opt for Monroe to create a real clusterfrick of a lineup
He averaged 9/11 in 19 starts this past season averaging 27 mpg
Right along with his 10/12 in 30 mpg as a starter the year before
Asik would lead the league in rebounding if he got 35 mpg. Can defend inside all the way out to the perimeter.
I like Monroe but he isn't in the same realm as Asik when it comes to rebounding and defense, much like Asik doesn't stack up offensively to Monroe
This team has enough guys who needs shots. Bringing in Asik could save Dell and Monty their jobs. I think it's too smart of a move, thus they would opt for Monroe to create a real clusterfrick of a lineup
Posted on 5/27/14 at 6:20 pm to GynoSandberg
The real question is Asik for $15 mil next season or Monroe for closer to $10 mil? Monroe's going to be cheaper by a mile, the dude's QO w/ DET is $5.4 mil for next season and I can't imagine there's a host of teams who a) can or b) want to give him more than double that.
Plus, DET has more of a need for a SG (i.e EG trade) bc KCP is going to be good, but he's still a few years away. Houston's never taking back Gordon since they have Harden. Asik's going to be near impossible to pry away for pieces we want to give and on a restructured deal that pops his balloon raise next year.
Monroe's much more likely, so I'd prefer it because it also means public enemy no. 1 Eric Gordon is probably gone
Plus, DET has more of a need for a SG (i.e EG trade) bc KCP is going to be good, but he's still a few years away. Houston's never taking back Gordon since they have Harden. Asik's going to be near impossible to pry away for pieces we want to give and on a restructured deal that pops his balloon raise next year.
Monroe's much more likely, so I'd prefer it because it also means public enemy no. 1 Eric Gordon is probably gone
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 5/27/14 at 6:32 pm to NOLAbaby
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I think it's too smart of a move
Too smart? It's damn near impossible. There's a metric ton of "smart" moves a team can make, but there's so many fewer options than that in reality
Posted on 5/27/14 at 6:41 pm to NOLAbaby
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The real question is Asik for $15 mil next season or Monroe for closer to $10 mil? Monroe's going to be cheaper by a mile, the dude's QO w/ DET is $5.4 mil for next season and I can't imagine there's a host of teams who a) can or b) want to give him more than double that.
Asik's cap hit is only like $8m. That's the important part.
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Too smart? It's damn near impossible. There's a metric ton of "smart" moves a team can make, but there's so many fewer options than that in reality
I'm just operating under the scenario present in this thread. Welcome to the internets
Posted on 5/27/14 at 7:04 pm to NOLAbaby
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The real question is Asik for $15 mil next season or Monroe for closer to $10 mil?
Monroe will be asking for a max (around $15 mil) for about 4 years he is a young big with potential and that type of player gets a max contract in the NBA
Asik will be around $8 mil next year but he will be in the last year of his contract
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Plus, DET has more of a need for a SG (i.e EG trade)
Well not necessarily...the Pistons are going to be looking primarily for flexibility due to the black hole of a contract Josh Smith received and instead of locking up Monroe for another 4 years maybe they take EG contract for 2 years that's at least the hope for us
Posted on 5/27/14 at 7:27 pm to NOLAbaby
quote:While Asik will get paid $15 million next year, his salary only count as $8 million against the salary cap. His contract was $5m / $5m / $15m ... but counted as $8m / $8m / $8m against the cap each year.
The real question is Asik for $15 mil next season or Monroe for closer to $10 mil? Monroe's going to be cheaper by a mile
So as far as the salary cap is concerned, Asik saves $2 million in space.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:00 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Monroe will be asking for a max (around $15 mil) for about 4 years he is a young big with potential and that type of player gets a max contract in the NBA
Monroe's not sniffing $15 million. GMs see what happened with Asik, JaVale McGee, Brook Lopez, Tiago Splitter.They see overpaid centers left and right. These guys either a) fall apart or b) don't live up to expectations or c) don't fit the team/culture/system. You're giving front offices way too little credit in the negotiating room. Center's get good money, but nobody with a level head is going to pay $15 mil for a good not great center, especially as the league is seemingly getting diluted with average guys on big deals.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:35 pm to NOLAbaby
What do you mean what happened with Asik? Nothing happened to him.. the Rockets got Dwight Howard.
Asik is going to make $14.8 million in the 3rd year of his contract, but he only made $5 million in his first and second years...
Asik is going to make $14.8 million in the 3rd year of his contract, but he only made $5 million in his first and second years...
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:43 pm to NOLAbaby
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Plus, DET has more of a need for a SG
The Pistons don't have a need for Eric Gordon.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:44 pm to NOLAbaby
McGee and Lopez were hurt this season. Those guys are both young and have a lot of contract left before declaring them busts.
Splitter doesn't make $15m, and still, he's an integral part of a championship contender.
Asik isn't a bust. $8m cap hit.
I'm not even sure what your point is
Splitter doesn't make $15m, and still, he's an integral part of a championship contender.
Asik isn't a bust. $8m cap hit.
I'm not even sure what your point is
Posted on 5/27/14 at 8:49 pm to GynoSandberg
Nolababy; did read but lol'd
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:38 am to GynoSandberg
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This team has enough guys who needs shots. Bringing in Asik could save Dell and Monty their jobs. I think it's too smart of a move, thus they would opt for Monroe to create a real clusterfrick of a lineup
i'm curious wtf we'd do with monroe now, esp if we had to keep gordon
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:40 am to NOLAbaby
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Monroe's going to be cheaper by a mile
not in terms of cap hit, which is all that matters
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm curious wtf we'd do with monroe now, esp if we had to keep gordon
Monty would probably not play Monroe because he doesn't play defense.
I really don't see how having AD and Monroe play together is not a good thing going forward.
Having Asik would be nice too, but he will be pretty old when AD starts hitting his prime.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:34 am to Suntiger
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Monty would probably not play Monroe because he doesn't play defense.
Monty is big on defense, but he's also big on rebounding. Even though Monroe is just OK at rebounding, he's much better than anyone on the team besides AD.
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I really don't see how having AD and Monroe play together is not a good thing going forward.
I think Monroe and AD could work, I just don't think Monroe and Ryno could work, especially for the money it would cost. Adding Asik to Ryno and AD at $8-$10 million is much better than adding Monroe for $12-$15.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:37 am to TigerinATL
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I think Monroe and AD could work, I just don't think Monroe and Ryno could work, especially for the money it would cost. Adding Asik to Ryno and AD at $8-$10 million is much better than adding Monroe for $12-$15.
My thoughts, as well.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:10 pm to Suntiger
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I really don't see how having AD and Monroe play together is not a good thing going forward.
it could be, but AD is a help defender or "small 4" guy and monroe is a turnstile
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