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re: Woj saying that Monty will be be an NBA HC again soon...

Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:21 pm to
Posted by Jester
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:21 pm to
I think the issue is that, while upgradeable, we didn't hire an upgrade and now it seems that he would be an upgrade over Gentry.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:30 pm to
That's fair. I don't think Gentry is as awful as most, but I get preferring Monty or another coach to him, especially with the roster they have now.

If they move on this summer, it needs to be about finding the best fit for winning games. Not saving money or protecting flowchart power (allegedly one reason why Monty himself got the boot)
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:51 pm to
Now that I have a better idea of what this org wants in a head coach I should have been worried when we fired Monty. He was growing as a head coach and leader of a team. And AD was still developing and averaged 31 pts and 11 rebs with 3blks in the playoffs to the eventual NBA champions. He should have got one more season to see if he could have kept his team chemistry growing like he did towards the end of the season.

Back then I wanted to hire Jeff Van Gundy soooo bad. This Gentry crap got old for me last year when he smiled after a close loss at home because he saw someone he knew in the stands. He's not a fricking leader.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/13/17 at 6:37 pm to
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Now that I have a better idea of what this org wants in a head coach I should have been worried when we fired Monty


i too gave them the benefit of the doubt that they knew what they were doing to build a consistent, quality team....whoops


the Gentry "charts" joke has always been much more of an indictment on Demps/Pels brass than anything else
Posted by karralum
southeastern conference territory
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:30 am to
Gotta get rid of Loomis too. Otherwise it'll be the same no matter who the "acting" gm is.

Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:40 am to
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Gotta get rid of Loomis too. Otherwise it'll be the same no matter who the "acting" gm is.


Why? Because you believe everything Dell's office leaks? Do you really think Loomis didn't want to hire a coach who wanted power over personnel or is there another person in the decision making process who wouldn't want that?

Loom needs to act as the owner proxy and lend assistance on negotiations/contracts. They do need a POBO to oversee a new GM.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 9:44 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:43 am to
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Do you really think Loomis didn't want to hire a coach who wanted power over personnel or is there another person in the decision making process who wouldn't want that?


Yes, but not specifically for the power reason. Guys wanting that kind of power usually come with a high price tag. I think it makes sense for Loomis' criteria to be under $X, previous HC experience and play a style that sells tickets. Mix Demps' desires with Loomis' criteria and you have what we got.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/14/17 at 10:17 am to
I just find it convenient that all of the ownership restrictions come out after Gentry starts getting heat. Same thing for all of Dell's moves. Even though every move is completely in line with Dell's philosophy and history, the meddling ownership excuse never fails to surface when things go south.

Demps wanted a coach who played the system (Warriors) that he wanted, who AD would like, and who would not challenge him in anyway like Monty started to do. I also find it difficult to believe that ownership would be willing to fire Monty and pay his salary after getting to the playoffs and then go super cheap on the new coaching search. I think a coach willing to take a cheaper salary was a plus and they were not willing to pay $8M+ per year for a coach unproven with the organization, but I don't think they gave Dell a salary restriction which eliminated most candidates. They also paid above average money for assistant coaches for Gentry.

I do think ownership plays a role in making Demps job more difficult, but Demps is in the driver's seat. It is his job to make the decisions and it is his job to convince/persuade ownership of the right path to success. The idea that Demps just made a few more bad moves than good ones and really it is mostly ownership's fault where no GM could possibly succeed is an extremely biased view that comes from people in Dell's office feeling the heat.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 10:19 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61514 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 10:55 am to
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the meddling ownership excuse never fails to surface when things go south.


But it's not like they'd lie about things like that. Mislead or omit a little maybe, but it has to be mostly based on the truth. You don't throw your boss under the bus.

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I also find it difficult to believe that ownership would be willing to fire Monty and pay his salary after getting to the playoffs and then go super cheap on the new coaching search.


IIRC Monty wasn't making much. I don't know if the figures were ever released but the speculation I always saw was in the $1-$2 million range. So I don't think eating a year of his deal would have been that bad.

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I don't think they gave Dell a salary restriction which eliminated most candidates


JVG getting an interview at all and then being considered still in the mix after the interview does suggest that the budget was more than what Gentry ended up getting.

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I just find it convenient


I think we need to be skeptical or at least overly analytical of the information they do give out. The Pels organization doesn't really leak, so if they are giving the summer roadmap to McNamara there has to be a reason. I think they want to keep hardcore fans like us from filling the information void with the worst case scenario and then talking about that on social media. Since the Cousins trade MM has practically become an optimist, compare that to someone like David Fisher and TBW who puts out pessimistic stuff about the FO several times a day.

I'm not saying MM is on the take or has been hoodwinked or anything, they've just given him reason to focus on the future while someone like Fisher is writing about what he is able to analyze best, how poorly managed the present appears to be.
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