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re: What's the next step towards becoming a title contender?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:32 am to whoknows1390
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:32 am to whoknows1390
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The only other way to remedy that is have tyreke coming off the bench and limit the amount of time he and Holiday spend on the floor together. I think it could work, but I agree one of them will have to go in order to land a big fish that can put us over the top.
I don't think we need another "all-star" type player. We need guys who complement AD's game
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Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:32 am to DeionDeion
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and while Reke can play PG its not his natural position
Tyreke has been really good twice in his 7 year NBA career.
His rookie year, and here after Jrue went out.
He's a PG, naturally. He needs the ball to be good, and he's capable of making other around him better when he's playing the facilitator role, as we've seen lately.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:38 am to TeddyPadillac
I'd keep Tyreke as the 6th man. If you move Ryno for a starting SF then the money distribution is fine to pay Tyreke as a 6th man. We really don't know what the long term issues with Jrue will be. I heard them talking this morning about KD's injury and a procedure to shave down the screw in his foot. This isn't as automatic as ACL recovery has become.
If you choose Tyreke over Jrue, you need better defense at SG and SF than you're getting now. You have to be able to hide Tyreke on defense.
If you choose Tyreke over Jrue, you need better defense at SG and SF than you're getting now. You have to be able to hide Tyreke on defense.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 11:39 am
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:42 am to TeddyPadillac
Earn the 20th pick I'm the draft. Package Ryno with it to get in the 8-12 range. Pick Willy Cauley Stein. Resign Ainjca. Don't resign Asik. Go after Demare Carrol in free agency.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:43 am to DeionDeion
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I don't think we need another "all-star" type player. We need guys who complement AD's game
Name a championship team that didn't have two Hall of Famers in the last 30 years?
The Pistons, who fielded a team that just complemented each other perfectly and played GREAT defense. An anomaly.
The odds of finding enough quality players around AD, have exceptional coaching, and a great defensive team are not too good.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:44 am to TigerinATL
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'd keep Tyreke as the 6th man. If you move Ryno for a starting SF then the money distribution is fine to pay Tyreke as a 6th man. We really don't know what the long term issues with Jrue will be. I heard them talking this morning about KD's injury and a procedure to shave down the screw in his foot. This isn't as automatic as ACL recovery has become.
If you choose Tyreke over Jrue, you need better defense at SG and SF than you're getting now. You have to be able to hide Tyreke on defense.
I agree with all of that.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 11:48 am to TeachMeHowTaDante
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Earn the 20th pick I'm the draft. Package Ryno with it to get in the 8-12 range. Pick Willy Cauley Stein. Resign Ainjca. Don't resign Asik. Go after Demare Carrol in free agency.
that would do nothing of significance.
Win 50 games, don't make the playoffs, win the lottery, trade the pick to OKC for Durant. Championship next year.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
I was trying to go a bit more realistic. And I think having two 7 footers on your team that can guard 1-5 and throw down lobs from anywhere on the court would be very significant. Also Carroll is a top 5-10 wing defender with the ability to guard Durant, Lebron, Melo, Paul George, and Butler.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:10 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
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I was trying to go a bit more realistic
I know.
But when you look at championship teams, they are built around 2 HOFers.
Outside of a great Jason Kidd Nets team, Iverson Sixers team, Dwight's Orlando team, and Lebron's Cleveland team, even the teams getting to the championship game usually have 2 HOFers. and if you noticed, all of those teams came out of the weak East.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:15 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
ATL, we are kind of stuck with Jrue, but wouldn't Reke/Cole be the most realistic option for us considering Jrue can't stay on the floor? Gordon is injury prone, too, so we are basically stuck with him as well unless he opts out.
I just don't know why we would move the one guard we have that consistently gets on the floor.
Assuming that we keep Reke, what does that do us long term? Do we go and get another PG after Jrue falls off the books? Isn't this the more likely path?
I just don't know why we would move the one guard we have that consistently gets on the floor.
Assuming that we keep Reke, what does that do us long term? Do we go and get another PG after Jrue falls off the books? Isn't this the more likely path?
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Name a championship team that didn't have two Hall of Famers in the last 30 years?
The Pistons, who fielded a team that just complemented each other perfectly and played GREAT defense. An anomaly.
The odds of finding enough quality players around AD, have exceptional coaching, and a great defensive team are not too good.
Some of these guys are Hall of Famers because they won titles...
Pau Gasol
Tony Parker
Manu maybe?
Pop
Phil Jackson
I don't understand the obsession with Hall of Famers I guess as it relates to AD.
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:28 pm to Solo
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I just don't know why we would move the one guard we have that consistently gets on the floor.
I agree. I think we need to keep Tyreke on the team at the very least until we know Jrue is ok. And honestly I'd like to keep him long term as the 6th man. His ability to break a defense is exactly the kind of thing you need in the playoffs.
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Do we go and get another PG after Jrue falls off the books? Isn't this the more likely path?
If the worst happens with Jrue, then I'd say yeah. One of the good things about Cole is he does some of the same things as Jrue on the cheap. Not as well of course, but he can help make up for the loss of Holiday.
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Gordon is injury prone, too, so we are basically stuck with him as well unless he opts out.
Gordon will be an expiring in a season where teams will be clearing cap for the Durant sweepstakes. If he stays healthy and productive I think you can actually trade him for some value, and I'm not opposed to keeping him long term.
I disagree with the contention we need another HOFer, at least the notion that we need to trade for a currently known HOFer. AD will turn someone into a HOFer. Did anyone look at guys like Pippen and Parker and think HOFer before they became the guy that helped the All Time Great win it all?
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:31 pm to TigerinATL
Beal and parts for EG?
ETA: I know that's a reach...
ETA: I know that's a reach...
This post was edited on 3/11/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The Pistons, who fielded a team that just complemented each other perfectly and played GREAT defense. An anomaly.
The mavs a few years ago...
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:34 pm to ShamelessPel
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Some of these guys are Hall of Famers because they won titles...
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Pau Gasol
Tony Parker
Manu maybe?
well, you dont' get into the HOF too often without championships, or at least a visit to them while being a stat dominator.
and those guys have multiple championships, and have been the main reason they won it sometimes. They also are playing with 2 guys who are considered top 10 of all time by some people, on top of playing with two of the best coaches of all time.
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I don't understand the obsession with Hall of Famers I guess as it relates to AD.
Just pointing out the fact that it takes two very elite players to win a championship, with the exception of the Pistons in the last 30 years.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:39 pm to LosLobos111
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The mavs a few years ago...
so you think Dirk or Kidd isn't a HOFer?
Peja is as well, not that they needed him, or that he played much, although he did play well early in the playoffs that year.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:47 pm to TigerinATL
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I disagree with the contention we need another HOFer, at least the notion that we need to trade for a currently known HOFer. AD will turn someone into a HOFer. Did anyone look at guys like Pippen and Parker and think HOFer before they became the guy that helped the All Time Great win it all?
I love AD, but he's not MJ, Kobe, or Duncan, and Monty isn't Pop or Phil.
There are no guys not on the all star team that are capable of being transformed into a HOFer in this way.
Demarre Carrol or Harrison Barnes aren't future Pippens. Kawhi Leonard or maybe Jimmy Butler could possibly become that in that right situation, and they are both all stars.
We need another legit allstar.
The teams that made the finals with one HOFer, Kidd/Iverson/Howard/Lebron were all outmatched severely in the Finals against the two legit HOFers. The Pistons are the only exception to the two HOFer rule in the last 30+ years. There's no disputing it.
WHat makes you think we can win it with just AD and a bunch of non-allstars? history tells us you can't
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
Dirk went supernova and had a great supporting cast around him of guys that fit and were vets(and a solid coach)
Kidd was good that playoffs sure but he wasn't all THAT amazing.
Kidd was good that playoffs sure but he wasn't all THAT amazing.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
The only chance we have of getting a legit all star is in 2016.
It's not going to happen next year most likely.
It's not going to happen next year most likely.
Posted on 3/11/15 at 12:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
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well, you dont' get into the HOF too often without championships, or at least a visit to them while being a stat dominator.
and those guys have multiple championships, and have been the main reason they won it sometimes. They also are playing with 2 guys who are considered top 10 of all time by some people, on top of playing with two of the best coaches of all time.
I don't get how this relates to our next step? Find the next Pop? Sign Phil Jackson even though he hates everything NOLA?
Parker and Gasol are not true 2nd bananas in the Pippen mold. Gasol didn't win a playoff game before teaming up with Kobe (he got swept 3 times). Duncan won a title before Parker even got there.
Also, "go find a Hall of Famer" that isn't ancient or very highly coveted isn't an easy task to pull off.
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