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This team moves as Jrue does
Posted on 3/5/17 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 3/5/17 at 11:20 pm
We are extremely difficult to beat when Jrue plays well
First 3 games 0-3
29% from the field and 6 assist per game
Last 3 games 2-1
51% from the field and 7 assist per game
We need someone else who can consistently score around Jrue, Moore, AD and DC.
I like what Solomon hill does that doesn't show up on the score sheet, especially his ability to keep the play alive, which he did a lot tonight. However, he is not a consistent scorer, and I feel Cunningham has digressed as a player this year.
First 3 games 0-3
29% from the field and 6 assist per game
Last 3 games 2-1
51% from the field and 7 assist per game
We need someone else who can consistently score around Jrue, Moore, AD and DC.
I like what Solomon hill does that doesn't show up on the score sheet, especially his ability to keep the play alive, which he did a lot tonight. However, he is not a consistent scorer, and I feel Cunningham has digressed as a player this year.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 11:26 pm to fightingtigers98
An elite 3pt shooter who can play wing is what I want.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 11:31 pm to fightingtigers98
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This team moves as Jrue does
Well yeah.. I mean it is pretty important to have a competent player that is the primary ball handler and runs the offense
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:22 am to swagsurfin7
And que, everyone back on the Jrue bandwagon. Jrue is good for this team people. Is he the best PG no. Can we upgrade sure, but why? We have more glaring needs.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 5:55 am to fightingtigers98
I agree and I disagree. The team moves as its role players do
In this Lakers game, the "Other Guys" had one good quarter. In the third, Hill hit a few shots, Thompson had a few steals and tough rebounds. And in that quarter, the Pels won 28-14
Now that he isn't playing scared anymore, you kinda know what you are getting from Jrue. You know AD and Cousins will be fine. If the other guys don't play like dog dookie, the Pels will look good. If those guys play well, the Pels will look great
I mean, look at the blown lead-- that was a stretch where Hill and Cunningham were putting up bricks. Therein lies the difference
In this Lakers game, the "Other Guys" had one good quarter. In the third, Hill hit a few shots, Thompson had a few steals and tough rebounds. And in that quarter, the Pels won 28-14
Now that he isn't playing scared anymore, you kinda know what you are getting from Jrue. You know AD and Cousins will be fine. If the other guys don't play like dog dookie, the Pels will look good. If those guys play well, the Pels will look great
I mean, look at the blown lead-- that was a stretch where Hill and Cunningham were putting up bricks. Therein lies the difference
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:10 am to fightingtigers98
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and I feel Cunningham has digressed as a player this year.
Is it his 40% from three this year that makes you feel this way?
He can guard almost everyone on the court, hits 40% of his threes, and is a good slasher and finisher at the rim, making almost league minimum money. What more do you want?
He does everything you want Hill to do, just better, and for $9M less.
If there's a way to keep him and get rid of Hill, that would go a long way to making this team better in the offseason, assuming they pick up a legit SF.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:14 am to TeddyPadillac
What blows my mind is how we will not go into the paint when AD is being guarded by Ingram. If a team is on a 8-10 to zero run. Go inside and get a basket.
The Pelicans should have a rule for every missed open 3 you have to go inside to AD or DC the next play
The Pelicans should have a rule for every missed open 3 you have to go inside to AD or DC the next play
Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:47 am to Crewz
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I agree and I disagree. The team moves as its role players do
In this Lakers game, the "Other Guys" had one good quarter. In the third, Hill hit a few shots, Thompson had a few steals and tough rebounds. And in that quarter, the Pels won 28-14
Now that he isn't playing scared anymore, you kinda know what you are getting from Jrue. You know AD and Cousins will be fine. If the other guys don't play like dog dookie, the Pels will look good. If those guys play well, the Pels will look great
I mean, look at the blown lead-- that was a stretch where Hill and Cunningham were putting up bricks. Therein lies the difference
I think the two things are kind of interconnected. Chicken and egg, situation. If Jrue struggles, it puts pressure on the bench. If the bench struggles, it puts pressure on Jrue. The lack of quality guard depth just emphasizes Jrue's performance.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:35 am to Jester
I guess my point was that, looking forward, when we aren't starting a ten day contract scrub who is shooting 25% from the field and 3, and Solomon Hill gets 22 minutes instead of 40, Jrue might even be able to have an off night and this team can still win.
I don't expect him to play like he did over the first 3 games ever again. But he might be a little off once in a while. No different than any other good player. But if the wing players are literally the worst in the NBA, you can't overcome that. Hopefully, we only have to deal with that for 19 more regular season games
I don't expect him to play like he did over the first 3 games ever again. But he might be a little off once in a while. No different than any other good player. But if the wing players are literally the worst in the NBA, you can't overcome that. Hopefully, we only have to deal with that for 19 more regular season games
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:00 am to Ryan3232
quote:hold on, let me give the elite wing scorer tree a shake right quick
An elite 3pt shooter who can play wing is what I want.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:21 am to Machine
I would honestly take another ball handler over a wing shooter. Give me Darren Collison or Jeremy Lin over say Allen Crabbe or Kyle Korver
Now, one of each - that would really make me happy. But if I had to choose only one, I want the ball handler
Now, one of each - that would really make me happy. But if I had to choose only one, I want the ball handler
Posted on 3/6/17 at 10:28 am to TeddyPadillac
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He can guard almost everyone on the court, hits 40% of his threes, and is a good slasher and finisher at the rim, making almost league minimum money. What more do you want?
He can't guard anybody on the court. Ya'll are focusing way too much on him being a jack of all trades and not enough on him being an ace of none. And when I say ace, I don't mean all-star level. I mean competent NBA player level.
He is not a good slasher or finisher. He makes 1.3 2 point FGs per game and 0.3 FTs in 24 minutes. He has a PER of 8.98. His real plus minus is -1.94. Solomon Hill is the only player on the team besides the big 3 who has a positive real plus minus at .01.
Hill is awful on offense but he is also a big contributor to us having a top 10 defense. Cunningham is awful on offense and we have a top 10 defense in spite of him.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:18 am to TheSexecutioner
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Ya'll are focusing way too much on him being a jack of all trades and not enough on him being an ace of none. And when I say ace, I don't mean all-star level. I mean competent NBA player level.
This is why he makes $3M/yr. He's isn't an ace of anything. But he can still hit a 3, finish, and play good defense. No one that has watched him play over the last 2 years would say he's anything close to a liability on defense. He literally comes in the game just for defense at the end of games, b/c he can switch onto just about anyone and guard them effectively.
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He is not a good slasher or finisher.
Yes he is. Do you watch the games? Are you confusing slasher/finisher with a guy that penetrates? If you hit DC cutting to the goal, he's going to dunk it. He is the best on the team at it without a doubt. Problem is our offense has little movement so you don't see it often.
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He makes 1.3 2 point FGs per game and 0.3 FTs in 24 minutes. He has a PER of 8.98. His real plus minus is -1.94. Solomon Hill is the only player on the team besides the big 3 who has a positive real plus minus at .01.
So you don't watch games and base everything on stats. Gotcha.
Cunningham isnt' awful on offense. Anyone that hits 40% of their 3's isn't awful. If you hit him cutting to the goal, he will dunk it and finish the play. No he doesn't get to the free throw line. It's b/c he never has the ball except to shoot a three or finish at the rim after cutting to the basket. That's his role. He ins't a scorer, a ball handler, or a facilitator, which is why he makes $3M/yr.
Hill is a better defender than him, but that doesn't mean Cunningham sucks on defense. Hill is worse on offense, and makes a lot more money than him. No one cares when Hill shoots a 3. that's a win for the defense. You at least have to respect Cunningham when he shoots.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
My 2 cents. Dante is a bargain when you consider what he provides to this team.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 4:41 pm to Crewz
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Now, one of each - that would really make me happy. But if I had to choose only one, I want the ball handler
Jonathon Simmons to me is interesting.
Not shooting it that great this year, but he has been respectable in the past. He's a really good ball handler, not much in setting guys up, but he can put the ball on the deck and get to the basket.
51 of 128 with Austin Spurs from 3 in 2014 (39.8 clip), then followed it up with an 18 of 47 rate last year with San Antonio (38%)
He's not young, but springy and has been around a winning culture the past two years.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:11 pm to Crewz
quote:with all due respect, I would prefer Crabbe or someone like Korver. I'm cool with Frazier behind Jrue.
would honestly take another ball handler over a wing shooter. Give me Darren Collison or Jeremy Lin over say Allen Crabbe or Kyle Korver
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:17 pm to Ryan3232
We need someone more consistent than jrue as the third guy.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 9:22 pm to Macintosh504
quote:well than we need to let him go and get another guy to use his money on. With or without Jrue on the team, I dont see guys like Darren Collison or Jeremy Lin making significant impacts that would be greater than having someone like Crabbe or Korver.
We need someone more consistent than jrue as the third guy.
On a side note, Im still very skeptical for if I want Jrue to be our 3rd guy next to AD & Boogie.
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