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re: The "Offense Mastermind" cannot even establish an offense
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:59 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 3/7/17 at 10:59 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:you could have just said "ive never heard of the elbow cyclone" and bowed out.
what the hell are you talking about?
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Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:19 am to corndeaux
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If the team is awful on offense, why minimize offensive chances? Shouldn't you want as many chances as possible to generate more points?
Running plays and playing more slowly allows for better looks at the basket by working the ball inside, which takes time. This team is not build to chuck 3s at a high rate.
The team's greatest assets are two monsters in the middle. Take as much time as possible to work the ball in to one of them on a PnR or clear out / post up and let them go to work. Set plays reduce turnovers as well...Which leads to the next point...
The Pels also play shitty defense. Taking more time on offense reduces turnovers and reduces the opposing team's offensive opportunities. This reduces the Pels' liability on that side of the floor to a minimum.
The roster we currently see, in football terms, is built like the cowboys current roster. It needs to play slowly to maximize high percentage scoring opportunities and reduce exposure on defense, yet we routinely see them taking shots with 12-14 sec left on the shot clock, missing, and then back to defense where they struggle.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:22 am to ShoeBang
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The Pels also play shitty defense.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:27 am to Machine
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you could have just said "ive never heard of the elbow cyclone" and bowed out.
I have heard of it, from the same source you probably heard of it recently for the first time. We don't have future hall of famer Grant Hill to run that, nor do we have 5 or 6 guys shooting over 38% from 3 to spread the floor.
Gentry ran a high pick and roll offense with Staudmire in Phoenix. Once he left, it all went to shite.
We also don't have future hall of Famer Steve Nash to run this high pick and roll, nor do we have 5 or 6 guys shooting over 38% from 3 to spread the floor.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 11:48 am to TeddyPadillac
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I have heard of it, from the same source you probably heard of it recently for the first time. We don't have future hall of famer Grant Hill to run that
Joel and David commented on Boogie running it last night. Although I really want to limit the amount of times we have Cousins doing kamikaze runs down the lane.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:13 pm to oncealurker
Prolly because we have a damn revolving door of players between bench and trades and all that nonsense
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:19 pm to oncealurker
Is he fired after the season ends?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:25 pm to Machine
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having a better replacement lined up is irrelevant as to whether we should fire a coach. gfg. you're everything that's wrong with your average TD poster.
I'm sorry you dont understand basic decision making. You also change your argument to whatever is most convenient. First its Gentry is a good coach. Then its hes a good coach with bad results. Then its he didnt get a fair chance yet. Then its there isnt a better option.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:34 pm to Hester Carries
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I'm sorry you dont understand basic decision making. You also change your argument to whatever is most convenient. First its Gentry is a good coach. Then its hes a good coach with bad results. Then its he didnt get a fair chance yet. Then its there isnt a better option.
if you think hiring anybody but gentry is a plus, you're a window-licker. end of story.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:54 pm to oncealurker
It's another example of Dell Demps being an idiot. The Pelicans did not have a dyamic player like Nash or Curry to run the offense Gentry likes to run and basically the only one he likes to run.
Gentry is not an innovative mind and that is why this team will always suck with him as head coach. He used D'Antoni's system for initial success in Pheonix and then clearly wasn't really valuable in GS since they actually improved the year after he left.
He is lauded for his success as an assistant where it isn't even clear that he was directly responsible for the success in his area.
These reasons are why Demps should be fired and Loomis honestly removed from any decision making with regards to the Pelicans.
Gentry is not an innovative mind and that is why this team will always suck with him as head coach. He used D'Antoni's system for initial success in Pheonix and then clearly wasn't really valuable in GS since they actually improved the year after he left.
He is lauded for his success as an assistant where it isn't even clear that he was directly responsible for the success in his area.
These reasons are why Demps should be fired and Loomis honestly removed from any decision making with regards to the Pelicans.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:26 pm to Machine
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if you think hiring anybody but gentry is a plus, you're a window-licker. end of story.
And yet that isnt what i think...
Posted on 3/7/17 at 3:56 pm to Hester Carries
quote:and yet you think firing him without somebody better lined up is a sound decision
And yet that isnt what i think...
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:10 pm to Machine
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and yet you think firing him without somebody better lined up is a sound decision
I think he has shown he isnt our guy.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:15 pm to TigerinATL
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That also increases the number of times you turn the ball over for easy points.
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Set plays reduce turnovers as well
Correlation /=/ causation. I see no evidence to support these claims.
Look at the last two games- they played a few possessions slower (96) than normal v Utah with a TO% of 20. They played much faster (104) v LAL on Sunday with a TO% of 12.5.
On the season they have the 9th fastest pace, but the 6th lowest TO%.
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Running plays and playing more slowly allows for better looks at the basket
It also makes each possession worth more, which seems sort of strange if you suck at scoring. The better point that y'all aren't talking about is that they could be crashing the offensive glass a little bit more to compensate.
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If they had better shooting which created better spacing
This is another dubious claim of "conventional wisdom." The Pels spacing isn't coming from their shooting- it's from the attention Davis and Cousins demand on every possession. The problem with the shooting is they are unable to capitalize on the looks they are getting from kick outs
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The Pelicans have hit a bad, bad, bad shooting slump since the trade. They are shooting a league worst 42.4% overall. And it only goes downhill from there: the Pelicans shoot 32.6% on open looks, and 35.4% on wide open looks. That is an almost unsustainable number. If the Pelicans hit just a few more open shots that 2-5 record looks a whole lot different.
–The biggest positive is that the Pelicans are generating more open and wide open looks since the Cousins trade than they were before it. Creating more open looks should (unless you’re this team) lead to more made shots, so this is a good trend for the Pelicans. This is due to Cousins and Davis being constantly double or triple teamed.
I didnt look the numbers up, but I'll trust that Madison did.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:22 pm to oncealurker
It's not Gentry! Come on, open your eyes. It's Dell Demps. Under Williams, Demps put together a offensive team. Williams is a defensive coach. Demps would not get what Williams wanted. That's why Demps fired Williams because they never saw eye to eye. Under Gentry, Demps gave away all of our offense and gave Gentry a defensive team. Demps is the common denominator of the failure of the Pelicans. Get rid of Demps and get a GM who knows what he's doing and is on the same page with the head coach. Open your eyes people, FIRE DEMPS!
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:24 pm to Hester Carries
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I think he has shown he isnt our guy.
Doesn't matter. Why did I want Demps fired with Monty? It was all about the potential repercussions from the timing of the move. Committing to Demps for 1 more year basically meant committing to Demps for 3 more years which would be bad if it didn't work out.
Similarly firing Gentry now could make us commit to the wrong replacement coach during a time where you have to convince Cousins and AD to stay long term. If the coaching search criteria that had Gentry 1st and Vinny Del Negro 2nd hasn't changed any, then firing Gentry now could be disastrous. How confident are you that Demps and Loomis will hire a guy that AD and Cousins will both like enough to resign in a year?
If they're ready to pony up for a legit coach great. If not, I'd rather roll the dice with Gentry again. If it doesn't work out AD and Cousins would have the leverage to make Benson/Loomis pick someone outside of their comfort zone.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:32 pm to corndeaux
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This is another dubious claim of "conventional wisdom." The Pels spacing isn't coming from their shooting-
I think we're talking about 2 different things, or the same thing from opposite angles. A big part of the increased turnovers right now is teams packing the paint because of AD/DC like you pointed out. What I was saying was if the wings started hitting the open shots that the bigs are getting them, it'd pull defenders out of the paint and give Holiday more room to work without turning the ball over so much. So with better shooting comes better spacing and fewer turnovers even at a fast pace and I don't question the choice.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:39 pm to TigerinATL
quote:winner winner chicken dinner
If they're ready to pony up for a legit coach great. If not, I'd rather roll the dice with Gentry again. If it doesn't work out AD and Cousins would have the leverage to make Benson/Loomis pick someone outside of their comfort zone.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 4:40 pm to TigerinATL
got it. that makes sense
eta- i would add that the calls for getting Davis/Cousins in the paint dont help with the congestion either. not that you're making those calls.
part of the reason to have them out by 3pt line is because defenses have to honor them out there and that opens up the lane for everyone else. the shooting sucks, but the lack of creation off the bounce after kick outs or reversals with Davis/Cousins outside the paint is a big problem too.
eta- i would add that the calls for getting Davis/Cousins in the paint dont help with the congestion either. not that you're making those calls.
part of the reason to have them out by 3pt line is because defenses have to honor them out there and that opens up the lane for everyone else. the shooting sucks, but the lack of creation off the bounce after kick outs or reversals with Davis/Cousins outside the paint is a big problem too.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 3/8/17 at 10:33 am to Machine
Gentry is 100% the problem .... He wont change to fit the personal he has .. its been proven His .517 career winning % is god-awful it speaks for itself This post was edited on 3/8/17 at 10:37 am
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