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Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:01 pm to jptiger2009
Everything that has held this team back is basically injuries since CP3 was traded.
I don't know who to place the blame on, but it is just ridiculous. Demps earned himself another year by getting Cousins in a great trade and rediscovering Crawford.
While Gentry has a questionable resume the team has had too many injuries to get a true read on what he has brought to the Pelicans. Everyone on the board wants to continue to hold his past coaching stops against him and not judge his work with the Pelicans by itself.
I don't know who to place the blame on, but it is just ridiculous. Demps earned himself another year by getting Cousins in a great trade and rediscovering Crawford.
While Gentry has a questionable resume the team has had too many injuries to get a true read on what he has brought to the Pelicans. Everyone on the board wants to continue to hold his past coaching stops against him and not judge his work with the Pelicans by itself.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:05 pm to Colonel Flagg
I place the injury issue more on poor luck than anything else. People always lament the bad things they assume the staff has done, but forget when Jrue basically plays two years with no issues to his leg. Or AD playing a career high games this season and it would have been more if they didn't sit him the final four games
But yeah, it all comes down to the health of those two. Fingers crossed...
But yeah, it all comes down to the health of those two. Fingers crossed...
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:14 pm to htran90
quote:
1. show us what you can do with a healthy squad
When in the last several years has this team ever been healthy?
I mean honestly, every year it's "Let's see what we can do at full strength"
Where are we finding our trainers and medical staff?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:27 pm to dcrews
For players that mattered this was a healthy year. They just were unavoidably thin as they shifted direction away from Ryno, Gordon and Tyreke so couldn't recover from Holiday's abscene which wasn't due to injury.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 9:28 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Everyone on the board wants to continue to hold his past coaching stops against him and not judge his work with the Pelicans by itself.
He's 62 years old. He's been a head coach for 787 games. He's had a lot of time to prove he's a good coach, and he's proven he is not. Plain and simple. He's been fired 3 times.
I would bet money he won't be our coach for the 2018-2019 season.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:20 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:What in the hell has he done with the Pelicans to warrant any excitement? He has sucked as a head coach most of his career.
Everyone on the board wants to continue to hold his past coaching stops against him and not judge his work with the Pelicans by itself.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:22 pm to jptiger2009
what the fricking frick
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:25 pm to Colonel Flagg
How many games does Gentry need? 1000? 15000?
He's been a HC for almost 800 games. He sucks.
He is a bum plain and simple.
He's been a HC for almost 800 games. He sucks.
He is a bum plain and simple.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:46 pm to Crewz
I think so too. This team, barring health issues, can win 50 next year. You saw really good basketball for ten games with Tim Frazier starting. We sign an average starter to go next to Jrue (or do something like get CP3) this team should make the second round.
Alvin and Dell deserve one full season with a healthy roster. But if they start off slow they need to fire them both and roll with Erman
Alvin and Dell deserve one full season with a healthy roster. But if they start off slow they need to fire them both and roll with Erman
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:50 pm to Crewz
quote:As it is currently constructed? Seems unlikely.
I don't like Gentry or Demps and hate ownership But if AD and DC both play 70-80 games next year, this is a 45-52 win team, I don't care who is coaching and what other moves are made We shall see
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:56 pm to NOSHAU
Well, as currently constructed plus a reasonable offseason. If all our free agents leave and nobody wants to come and there is nobody we can get with our 2018 pick, then no they won't win 45-52
But they will keep and get some players this offseason and the roster will be fine. Again, it all comes down to the Big 2
But they will keep and get some players this offseason and the roster will be fine. Again, it all comes down to the Big 2
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:41 pm to Fun Bunch
Criticizing him for his time before being the Pelicans coach has nothing to do with his performance as the Pelicans coach. I am just accepting that he was hired and looking at his performance just in NOLA.
Considering the roster issues IDK how he could have really done better.
I just have the opinion people are just pissed about him just being hired in the first place and that the board judgement is not based on his performance as the current head coach. I don't think anyone could honestly do a fair evaulation with the issues outside of his control.
Considering the roster issues IDK how he could have really done better.
I just have the opinion people are just pissed about him just being hired in the first place and that the board judgement is not based on his performance as the current head coach. I don't think anyone could honestly do a fair evaulation with the issues outside of his control.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 12:08 am to Crewz
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I don't like Gentry or Demps and hate ownership
But if AD and DC both play 70-80 games next year, this is a 45-52 win team, I don't care who is coaching and what other moves are made
We shall see
This may be the least pessimistic post I've seen from you. Curious, if healthy AD/DC for 70-80 gets you that range, what would you project a CP3/AD/DC 65+ games each at?
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:32 am to ShamelessPel
I am never pessimistic, always realistic. Realism just looks pessimistic versus fanboy optimism
A relatively healthy trio like that with decent fill ins around them would likely win in the mid 50s year one with decent health. Could be a WCF team in year 2 with a solid summer the following year
A relatively healthy trio like that with decent fill ins around them would likely win in the mid 50s year one with decent health. Could be a WCF team in year 2 with a solid summer the following year
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:56 am to Colonel Flagg
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I just have the opinion people are just pissed about him just being hired in the first place and that the board judgement is not based on his performance as the current head coach.
I agree. His past record prior to the Pels is the #1 complaint against Gentry. #2 is performance out of timeouts, which was bad this year but not terrible last year IIRC. #3 is he didn't play Asik enough
That's a pretty weak list of complaints. We hated on Monty for way more reasons. Gentry has let Erman do his thing building a decent defense and even traded offensive rebounds for transition defense. He's staggered AD and Cousins. He's played Holiday off ball like many of us feel he's better suited to. I'd replace Gentry tomorrow with the right coach, I just don't think he's a total disaster like he's made out to be.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 8:28 am to Colonel Flagg
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Considering the roster issues IDK how he could have really done better.
Monty did better, with more injuries, and not just a little better. He won 45 games and had more injuries between AD/Jrue/Reke/Ryno/EG, and then Uncle Alroy comes in and wins 30 games with the same squad, granted he had a lot of injuries, but they actually weren't more than Monty's 45 win playoff team. I really don't give a shite if a D-league player gets hurt and misses 60 games. using that as an excuse is just dumb.
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Criticizing him for his time before being the Pelicans coach has nothing to do with his performance as the Pelicans coach. I am just accepting that he was hired and looking at his performance just in NOLA.
and we can use his past performance against him when he has so much history. It's not like he coached for 2 years and wasn't successful. he has 10 years of head coaching experience. he's been fired 3 times. The only time he succeeded is when he took over a perennial playoff team with 2 hall of famers, an all NBA player, and a great cast of role players, and he managed to frick that up too and get fired for having the worst start in franchise history
Posted on 5/16/17 at 8:42 am to hg
quote:we should give a guy who has proven he can't hire a head coach another shot to hire DeMarcus Cousins' seventh coach in seven years, in a pitch of stability to make him want to stay. wait no that doesn't make sense. nvm.
We have a rare opportunity with Davis and Cousins on the same team and we're going to squander it with Gentry still as the coach
Posted on 5/16/17 at 8:42 am to TeddyPadillac
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and we can use his past performance against him when he has so much history.
That's the kind of thing that matters when you're making a hiring decision, but we have idiots in charge. Once he's here what matters is what he does here. I'm not saying you have to like him, but if he's so obviously bad surely you can find coaching decisions he made last year that make you want to fire him. The main in season complaints I remember were the team being terrible out of timeouts and him not playing Asik enough which not only is comical, but eventually became a moot point for multiple reasons. I guess I forgot the music too. David Wesley felt he ran too loose of a locker room.
There's a difference between him not being the right coach and someone we need to move on from as soon as it's feasible to "even if we're healthy we're a lottery team because he's such a bad coach." This isn't Byron "I don't believe in taking 3 pointers" Scott we're talking about.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 9:19 am to TigerinATL
I don't think he's a terrible coach. I also don't think he's a good head coach.
I think if he surrounds himself with good assistants, and allows them the freedom to coach in games, he can maximize his ability as a head coach and be good.
I think he did things when he came in just to be different from the old regime. Some of his philosophies, I just don't like. To tell your team to not go after offensive rebounds so they can get back is just stupid, especially when you're not even a good team against the fast break despite this tactic. His out of timeout plays have been atrocious.
Our defense has been good, but I don't credit Gentry for that.
Our offense, at times, looks great. I think Gentry has an idea of what he wants on offense, but doesn't have the squad to get the benefits from it just yet, and isn't a good enough coach to get the most out of his role players for his system to work consistently.
The other problem with his offense is that it's like he drills into his guys that this is what we are going to do, and we arent' deviating from that. They don't look for mismatches, and when the do have them, they don't exploit them. I get his offense is about ball movement, but the end goal should be to either get an open shot, or get a mismatch you can take advantage of, and it seems more often than not they are only interested in the open shot.
There is no reason for Cousins to come down the court 5 times in a row with a shitty PF on him and you don't give him the ball. There is no reason for Trevor Ariza to guard AD and he never posts him up. That's the kind of stuff that pisses me off.
I think if he surrounds himself with good assistants, and allows them the freedom to coach in games, he can maximize his ability as a head coach and be good.
I think he did things when he came in just to be different from the old regime. Some of his philosophies, I just don't like. To tell your team to not go after offensive rebounds so they can get back is just stupid, especially when you're not even a good team against the fast break despite this tactic. His out of timeout plays have been atrocious.
Our defense has been good, but I don't credit Gentry for that.
Our offense, at times, looks great. I think Gentry has an idea of what he wants on offense, but doesn't have the squad to get the benefits from it just yet, and isn't a good enough coach to get the most out of his role players for his system to work consistently.
The other problem with his offense is that it's like he drills into his guys that this is what we are going to do, and we arent' deviating from that. They don't look for mismatches, and when the do have them, they don't exploit them. I get his offense is about ball movement, but the end goal should be to either get an open shot, or get a mismatch you can take advantage of, and it seems more often than not they are only interested in the open shot.
There is no reason for Cousins to come down the court 5 times in a row with a shitty PF on him and you don't give him the ball. There is no reason for Trevor Ariza to guard AD and he never posts him up. That's the kind of stuff that pisses me off.
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