- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Sources: Pels retain Demps, Gentry
Posted on 5/16/17 at 9:38 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 5/16/17 at 9:38 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
To tell your team to not go after offensive rebounds so they can get back is just stupid,
The Pels have become one of the worst offensive rebounding teams in the league since going this direction. With Cousins in the mix, rebounding should be one of this teams strengths and they should play to that strength. I understand why they've gone away from ORebs, I believe the Spurs started the trend, but it really is something they should reevaluate. In one of the local podcasts or blogs I believe someone mentioned they thought Hill might be rushing his shots when he takes them because of the compulsion to get back on defense.
All of that being said, it's hard to argue with the improvement in the defense.
quote:
Our defense has been good, but I don't credit Gentry for that.
A head coach is supposed to be the guy that manages the big picture. Nobody seemed to think less of Kerr as a coach when he did what he did with a stacked roster and a very established OC and DC. If hiring a million dollar OC got us a top 10 offense to go along with the top 10 defense, would you fire Gentry wondering what value he brings, or would you be happy with the system you've put together?
I know if we hire Cal I'm hoping there's enough money left over to give him his own Alvin Gentry and Ron Adams.
quote:
The other problem with his offense is that it's like he drills into his guys that this is what we are going to do, and we arent' deviating from that.
Yeah, I think that's the "the ball has energy" thing. It would be nice to see more mismatches being taken advantage of.
quote:
There is no reason for Cousins to come down the court 5 times in a row with a shitty PF on him and you don't give him the ball
I saw a lot of people complaining about our guards inability to make post entry passes to our bigs. It will be interesting to see what they do at guard in the offseason. I don't think adding a Collison/Mills is going to be a significant enough change.
2
Posted on 5/16/17 at 10:22 am to TigerinATL
quote:
In one of the local podcasts or blogs I believe someone mentioned they thought Hill might be rushing his shots when he takes them because of the compulsion to get back on defense.
Jamelle McMillian said that on the podcast he did. I started watching for it after he said that and he was 100% correct. Solo frequently turns before he finishes his shooting motion because he is so focused on getting back. It's crazy.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 10:31 am to NOFOX
quote:Hopefully the staff notices this and works on it in the offseason.
Jamelle McMillian said that on the podcast he did. I started watching for it after he said that and he was 100% correct. Solo frequently turns before he finishes his shooting motion because he is so focused on getting back. It's crazy.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 10:39 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Hopefully the staff notices this and works on it in the offseason.
well they couldn't notice that we were the 2nd worst offensive rebounding team b/c we wanted to stop the fast break, yet we were 18th in opponent fast break points, and 23rd in opponent fast break efficiency.
You shouldn't have to tell professionals to get back immediately and not crash the boards b/c they can't crash the board and get back and play the same mediocre fast break defense. I'm not asking for everyone to crash the board, but there's no reason Solo or Dante shouldn't crash more often, or guys like Ajinca and DMo shouldn't be in there all the time trying to get their hands on the rebound.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 11:26 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Hopefully the staff notices this and works on it in the offseason.
Jamelle is an assistant coach with the Pels. So safe to say they noticed and were trying to address it with him last season. They will continue to work on it and hopefully get it straightened out.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 12:23 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
that's the "the ball has energy" thing
the Pels are fairly bad at keeping the ball moving. they tend to hold it too long or pound it too much. or make frivolous passes to get the ball so a guy can then either hold it or pound it.
some of that is on the coaching, yes. some of that is on players too though. too often, when i watch, they are not doing what Gentry is supposedly preaching about ball movement. the ball sticks with this team
quote:
It would be nice to see more mismatches being taken advantage of.
pre-Cousins, they just didnt have the personnel for a guy to do work in the paint. Davis is not a guy who, at this point, is going to work for good position on the block and demand the ball v a small defender. nor is Davis, at this point, a good enough passer out of the post to really scramble defenses.
more generally, the mismatches they get are almost entirely natural. putting either Davis or Cousins on the ball at the elbow is a huge problem for set defenses, regardless of the defender.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 9:42 pm to jptiger2009
Curious to see what season tickets look like. This is a les Miles situation both guys should have been canned a long time ago
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 5/17/17 at 9:47 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Fun Bunch
Posted on 5/17/17 at 11:14 am to Hester Carries
Apparently I'll have to sleep with Gayle to get fired around here...
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:34 pm to hg
quote:
We have a rare opportunity with Davis and Cousins on the same team and we're going to squander it with Gentry still as the coach
frick our lives. So long Davis & Cousins
Talent overcomes coaching most of the time in the NBA
This team will win a minimum of 47-48 games regardless of who the coach is with hopefully good depth additions(which is one of the things Dell is good at for his faults)
If AD/DC each play at least 72 games and can't have a quality record then this team was fricked no matter what.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 4:14 pm to corndeaux
quote:
It would be nice to see more mismatches being taken advantage of.
here's a much better explanation of why the mismatch critique is problematic
Flipping the Switch
quote:
With players of similar size and speed this may not be a big deal, but as those differences become larger the switch does more damage. The offense now has two size mismatches to attack: a small player able to use his quickness against a bigger defender, and a bigger player able to use his size against a smaller defender.
We’ve all seen this plenty of times — it’s not a rare occurrence. The announcers on TV exhort the players to attack the mismatch, the offense stops moving, spaces out and everyone watches one player go to work. It’s as if the game was suddenly teleported to the 1990s and isolation basketball is back in style.
quote:
And this is where switching becomes a little more complicated to evaluate, because it’s not actually clear that this is efficient offense. Both of these things can be true: after a switch the offense has more of an advantage than it did when the possession started, and attacking that mismatch one-on-one may actually be worse for the offense than if it had never gotten the switch at all. By switching, defenses can lure offenses into playing against their own self-interest: the mismatch is a bright light teams are irresistibly drawn towards, even if that light may turn out to be a bug-zapper.
We Believe Warriors were great at being bug zappers a decade ago
quote:
There is no doubt that some switches create mismatches of such a degree that attacking one-on-one is the right move, but these mismatches are rarer than offenses tend to expect — especially against smart defenses that help and double team in creative ways. Switching on defense trades those slight mismatches for the opportunity to throw sand in the offense’s gears, taking them out of their flow and making them play a slower, grittier, uglier style of basketball
videos and more at the link- an in-depth look at ways to combat switching defenses without stalling your offense out.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 5:17 pm to corndeaux
quote:
It would be nice to see more mismatches being taken advantage of...
here's a much better explanation of why the mismatch critique is problematic
This discussion, in regards to the Pels, has to address a few crucial assumptions: 1) When the switch is created, the ball handler is capable of attacking the basket effectively to more often than not get a high % shot; 2) The ball handler, if collapsed upon in the paint, is capable of making the right play in traffic - be it passing/resetting or not taking a bad shot.
In regards to the Pels capabilities with these assumptions, I think Jrue, as the ball handler, can match both. I think AD, from the perimeter, can handle #1 but is a toss up for #2; from the post can do both. DeMarcus is a toss up for both on the perimeter, but can handle #1 in the post. The NBA is a player-specific driven league; until the judgement of all 3 can be trusted unequivocally in all situations, the Pels won't be able to "take advantage of mismatches" unless they work to create them in the post for AD/Demarcus and on the wings for Jrue.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 6:24 pm to corndeaux
great share
bookmarking that site
the question is whether our players are
A) smart enough
B) consistent enough shooters
curry is a cheat code and nobody else has that, but the pels must hit open jump shots for any of this to work
bookmarking that site
the question is whether our players are
A) smart enough
B) consistent enough shooters
curry is a cheat code and nobody else has that, but the pels must hit open jump shots for any of this to work
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:10 pm to NOLAbaby
quote:
This discussion, in regards to the Pels, has to address a few crucial assumptions: 1) When the switch is created, the ball handler is capable of attacking the basket effectively to more often than not get a high % shot; 2) The ball handler, if collapsed upon in the paint, is capable of making the right play in traffic - be it passing/resetting or not taking a bad shot.
like i said earlier, they havent had the horses to hurt teams on switches. they are more bug zappers
Holiday is best v a smaller guard where he can bully them into a good shot. Davis is best v a bigger player where is speed/ball skills truly stand out. getting switches in their PnRs doesn't create an obvious advantage for the Pels. and i dont trust either guy to make the right pass most of the time- Davis is getting better here
Cousins is similar in that his ball skills v a bigger defender are very good. but he's got the ability to work a smaller guy in the post and he is a good passer.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 9:17 pm to cgrand
yeah. they need more shooting. and no one will do that stuff as well as the Warriors. they are just a one off mix of passing, dribbling, shooting, + bball IQ. with those shooters, a guy as good as Draymond is with the ball as your roll man opens up new levels.
but, the framework is something they can copy- guys have to keep moving. the ball has to keep moving.
but, the framework is something they can copy- guys have to keep moving. the ball has to keep moving.
Posted on 5/22/17 at 12:47 pm to jptiger2009
quote:
The New Orleans Pelicans power structure will remain in place entering the 2017-18 season.
General manager Dell Demps and coach Alvin Gentry have both retained their posts, owner Tom Benson and senior vice president of basketball operations Mickey Loomis confirmed Monday.
Looks like it will be another maddening and disappointing season.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 1:25 am to WeeWee
Gentry is a very good assistant coach as a head coach he is abysmal at best!!!!.Retaining demps and gentry is just very bad management. gentry's win/loss record is about as good as bum Phillips win/loss record
Page 3 of 3
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News