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re: Solmon Hill to Pels 4yr/50 potential 2 mill for good behavior on line
Posted on 7/2/16 at 1:04 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 7/2/16 at 1:04 am to whatiknowsofar
LOL this franchise is so fricked with Dell running the show.
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Posted on 7/2/16 at 1:35 am to THRILLHO
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You want to find the NEXT 3-and-D stud that seemingly comes out of nowhere? Just look to the past. With that in mind, let’s take a look around the league for some guys who fit the profile:
Hell yes
You know damn well when Hill plays well, McNamara was going to link his article saying he said it first
Posted on 7/2/16 at 2:08 am to Rickety Cricket
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LOL this franchise is so fricked with Dell running the show.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 7:33 am to GynoSandberg
That article says he could be a find. Just like Sir Dominic Pointer could be. You wanna pay Sir Dominic 12 per?
Posted on 7/2/16 at 8:08 am to Crewz
It's an overpay, yes. So what? That's how FA is played. Chandler Parsons on a 4 year max w/ his knees is an overpay too.
Given the realities of market, team situation, and the directives of ownership, what else could they have done?
They got better defensively on the perimeter and they got more flexibility on the roster. They're not a playoff lock, but there are no realistic moves that make that happen this summer alone.
Maybe they can move (or stretch) Evans to open up space for another player who can help (I would like a competent big)
Given the realities of market, team situation, and the directives of ownership, what else could they have done?
They got better defensively on the perimeter and they got more flexibility on the roster. They're not a playoff lock, but there are no realistic moves that make that happen this summer alone.
Maybe they can move (or stretch) Evans to open up space for another player who can help (I would like a competent big)
Posted on 7/2/16 at 8:20 am to corndeaux
Again, you don't HAVE to overpay. You don't HAVE to try and fix the SF position this year. You could roll with QPon, Ennis, and Gee and have no long term big money on your books. And on top of that, there is at least a 50/50 chance either QPon or Ennis is better than Hill anyway
Let's revisit this on July 15. I will show you 3-5 guys who have at least as much production as Hill (or more) who get less than half. I guarantee it
Let's revisit this on July 15. I will show you 3-5 guys who have at least as much production as Hill (or more) who get less than half. I guarantee it
Posted on 7/2/16 at 8:24 am to corndeaux
I am happy we are going after some young players. We needed a SF and we got one.
Maybe we over paid we will not know until the season. I think the Pelicans are actually doing things they should have been doing last year. Quit going after the bigger win now vets and getting some guys that might be solid roll players or even starters down the road.
I feel this is part 1 of a 2 year plan to change the culture into more blue collar team that works their butts off and plays team ball. (or at least that is what I am telling myself)
Maybe we over paid we will not know until the season. I think the Pelicans are actually doing things they should have been doing last year. Quit going after the bigger win now vets and getting some guys that might be solid roll players or even starters down the road.
I feel this is part 1 of a 2 year plan to change the culture into more blue collar team that works their butts off and plays team ball. (or at least that is what I am telling myself)
Posted on 7/2/16 at 8:29 am to Crewz
That's true. You don't have to overpay.
You also aren't guaranteed any FA because you have more cap space next summer. The team will still not be attractive to FA. This is the counter to the argument for why Demps selling firsts made sense- the mystery of the unknown.
And they will still have cap space next summer.
You could be right and he quickly becomes an albatross, but this isn't an awful move. It's an overpay. It's a gamble.
Yet, they have to gamble because of ownership and market and years of shitty moves. And believe me, I'm no Demps apologist or Pels optimist.
You also aren't guaranteed any FA because you have more cap space next summer. The team will still not be attractive to FA. This is the counter to the argument for why Demps selling firsts made sense- the mystery of the unknown.
And they will still have cap space next summer.
You could be right and he quickly becomes an albatross, but this isn't an awful move. It's an overpay. It's a gamble.
Yet, they have to gamble because of ownership and market and years of shitty moves. And believe me, I'm no Demps apologist or Pels optimist.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 8:32 am to corndeaux
I am hoping for the best, but I firmly believe we can get the same caliber of player for much less- not next year - but two weeks from now
But what's done is done. I will root like heck for the guy
But what's done is done. I will root like heck for the guy
Posted on 7/2/16 at 9:06 am to Crewz
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I firmly believe we can get the same caliber of player for much less- not next year - but two weeks from now
But sometimes it's not about the tier a player's in, but getting the right fit from that tier. Now this regime has a bad record regarding fit, although hopefully Ferry Helps, but fit matters. If Gentry and Erman are my coaches give me Turner over Tyreke. If we're playing Montyball give me Tyreke.
If the money is all that bothered you, you wouldn't be complaining about it as much. We should have paid half, so $6 million less or 5.5% of a $107 million cap. So if Hill doesn't become good and is just mediocre the over pay cost you a Cunningham or Morrow or Lance Thomas.
You don't believe in him is the problem. And there's nothing wrong with that. Demps took a bet, hopefully aided by Ferry, and now we have to wait. Like you said, not all of these guys with potential will actually live up to it. With the way the roster is we only have significant minutes for one to develop, so if I told you that there were 4 3 and D potential guys you could pick, and if you paid $12 you could pick 1st but if you paid $6 you could pick last, wouldn't you pick 1st if you believed in one guy more than the others?
You believed in DeMarre Carroll back when he signed with Atlanta and wanted the Pels to go after him. You wouldn't have been happy about paying $7 instead of $3 for him back then, but you probably would have done it if that was the difference between getting him or getting someone you'd have to hope could be good instead of someone you knew would be good. That's probably all that's going on here, you and Demps/Ferry disagree on who was the best of this tier of prospects, and now we all have to hope they were right and you were wrong.
This post was edited on 7/2/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 7/2/16 at 9:15 am to TigerinATL
Incorrect. I wouldn't have paid Carroll 7 and I would have been wrong. And I very well could be wrong here. I would stay in my limits. And that would cost me sometimes, admittedly.
Again, I hope I am wrong. But the odds say I am not. But the long shots do hit, and we are all hoping this one does- that's not debateable
Again, I hope I am wrong. But the odds say I am not. But the long shots do hit, and we are all hoping this one does- that's not debateable
Posted on 7/2/16 at 9:21 am to Crewz
maybe we are going after guys that have played low minutes so the wear and tear on them is low which means they are healthy and won't have to rely on our medical staff
Posted on 7/2/16 at 9:36 am to Crewz
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Again, you don't HAVE to overpay. You don't HAVE to try and fix the SF position this year. You could roll with QPon, Ennis, and Gee and have no long term big money on your books. And on top of that, there is at least a 50/50 chance either QPon or Ennis is better than Hill anyway
You have to at least spend 85 million for the salary cap floor. What would you have us do to reach that? We are taking a bit of a risk but Hill can play. His shot is improving. He can play D. He works hard at his craft. Plus the price we got him at isn't as ridiculous as the other contracts being handed out
Posted on 7/2/16 at 9:44 am to Crewz
quote:I was hoping we would wait it out and let the crazy money fly without us involved. I think there will be some values when the dust settles. If we were going for Hill, I would have expected a contract similar to what Moore got, maybe a couple million higher and that would have been taking into effect the crazy salaries created by this new cap.
I am hoping for the best, but I firmly believe we can get the same caliber of player for much less- not next year - but two weeks from now But what's done is done. I will root like heck for the guy
Posted on 7/2/16 at 9:44 am to TigerBehindEnemyLines
Hill was mostly shitty except for when he wasn't.
/Analysis
/Analysis
Posted on 7/2/16 at 9:46 am to TigerBehindEnemyLines
I have said it multiple times in this thread. If you choose not to read, it's not my fault. IMO, there are multiple guys with similar production who will be had for 40-50 percent the cost.
Reaching the floor wouldn't have been a problem at all. Especially when I gave a nice chunk to Andrew Nicholson. He and Moore alone would have got me to the floor, and then I would have gotten a Hill-like player for 4-5
But again, it doesn't matter. What's done is done. I won't come back and say "See, told ya so!" If he stinks. I am legitimately rooting for him, just like I am legitimately rooting for Hield even though I would've taken Murray
Reaching the floor wouldn't have been a problem at all. Especially when I gave a nice chunk to Andrew Nicholson. He and Moore alone would have got me to the floor, and then I would have gotten a Hill-like player for 4-5
But again, it doesn't matter. What's done is done. I won't come back and say "See, told ya so!" If he stinks. I am legitimately rooting for him, just like I am legitimately rooting for Hield even though I would've taken Murray
Posted on 7/2/16 at 10:20 am to tgr4ever
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If anybody has espn insider, could you post a screenshot of what Pelton says about the Hill signing?
Is this what you were looking for?
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1. Agreed to sign forward Solomon Hill to a reported four-year, $48 million deal
2. Agreed to sign guard E'Twaun Moore to a reported four-year, $34 million deal
Last fall, the Pacers declined the $2.3 million option on the last year of Hill's rookie contract. Whoops! After he showed promise during an impressive playoff series against the Toronto Raptors, Hill was priced out of Indiana's range because the team was not allowed to offer him any more than the amount of the option they declined.
Instead, Hill gets a contract for more than five times more per season than he was scheduled to make. That's a lot of money for a player who was out of the rotation much of last season. However, I like it for New Orleans because Hill is the rare unrestricted free agent who at 25 is just coming into his prime. He can grow with Anthony Davis.
The Pelicans have also been in desperate need of two-way role players, and Hill might fit the bill -- particularly if he plays power forward. That's where Hill primarily played during the playoffs. Though just 6-foot-7, Hill is strong enough to defend most power forwards, and his quickness becomes an asset going against bigger, slower defenders.
Hill's shooting also becomes a plus at power forward, particularly if he's making better than half his 3s as he did in the playoffs. That's not sustainable, but Hill's 32.5 percent career 3-point shooting is adequate as a power forward. At small forward, it's not good enough, so if New Orleans views him primarily as a 3 the team may be disappointed.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 10:48 am to Crewz
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I will show you 3-5 guys who have at least as much production as Hill (or more) who get less than half. I guarantee it
That's signed this offseason at the 3? I'd take that bet.
Posted on 7/2/16 at 10:55 am to pleading the fifth
i think hill is being rewarded highly for intangibles. it's a huge gamble but may be signs of a change in the locker room
the think about hill is that even if his shot doesn't develop, he's not going to stop working and pushing others and doing little things. hield is somewhat similar in his work effort and attitude
now after giving that spin, it's still 2 major gambles
jrue and AD have to stay very healthy if we're going to do anything
the think about hill is that even if his shot doesn't develop, he's not going to stop working and pushing others and doing little things. hield is somewhat similar in his work effort and attitude
now after giving that spin, it's still 2 major gambles
jrue and AD have to stay very healthy if we're going to do anything
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