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re: SI’s latest mock, based on rumors and buzz, has Shaedon Sharpe falling to us at 8.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:58 pm to Kerchek
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:58 pm to Kerchek
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But it makes sense when you add in he chose NOT to participate in the combine workouts, scrimmages, or interviews.
Why wouldn't he participate in the combine?
Same reason Chet/Jabari/Ivey/Paolo didnt.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:00 pm
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Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:01 pm to Kerchek
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Sharpe falling to us is HIS best care scenario. We don't need anyone with pick #8 to come and contribute immediately. He will be able to slowly bring himself up to speed while learning to be a professional.
I don’t disagree with any of this. That said I personally have soured a bit on taking Sharpe for some of those same reasons. Sharpe played zero minutes in college. If he comes to the Pels and gets a trey Murphy introduction to playing time that’s just a long time for a ball dominant guard to not be playing life competition. As athletic as he may be he is a still a guard who will life and die on his skill and his handle. Those things just can’t sit on ice and develop.
That said Kobe played zero minutes of college and averaged only 15 minutes as a rookie so what do I know.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:01 pm to Bronc
Chet/ivey/paolo all have collegiate tape to watch and evaluate. They had nothing else to show. Sharpe does not, he has plenty that he needs to show
Unfortunately it is to the prospects advantage not to show anything...
Unfortunately it is to the prospects advantage not to show anything...
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:02 pm to ned nederlander
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That said Kobe played zero minutes of college and averaged only 15 minutes as a rookie so what do I know.
and he was drafted at 13
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:03 pm to Bronc
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Despite what you are saying, the Pels situation is rather unique.
Yes, there roster isn't flawless, but when healthy, you sort of have your 8-9 man rotation set:
CJ Herb BI Zion JV Murphy Jax Nance Jose
There is room for a 1/2/3 guard/wing that can shoot and defend to steal 15-20 minutes, or step up with injury, but this roster is going to be tough to crack unless the player you get is a "guy" right out the gate, and in a weaker draft at 8 you arent really banking on that.
I agree with this, I could see someone possibly passing Jax, or getting minutes as a ball handler with the second unit, but I think that’ll largely be Zion in that role.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:04 pm to ned nederlander
Trey was in an awkward position(Jax before him), where, ideally, they would have been in the G League much of the season getting reps ala Kuminga and Moody, but injuries and lack of quality depth kept them on the bench with the team more than was anticipated.
That could obviously happen if, god forbid, the Indian burial ground the stadium feels built on strikes again, but most likely whoever we draft, be it Sharpe or Mathurin/Daniels/Griffin etc., will spend a good chunk of time in the G League.
That could obviously happen if, god forbid, the Indian burial ground the stadium feels built on strikes again, but most likely whoever we draft, be it Sharpe or Mathurin/Daniels/Griffin etc., will spend a good chunk of time in the G League.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:06 pm to Bronc
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According to NBA Big Board Director of Scouting Rafael Barlowe, Sharpe’s minimal body of work at Kentucky and throughout the draft process has teams hesitant, if not turned off entirely.
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A third scout said the Kentucky guard’s continued absence in high-profile settings leads to questions about those advising him, with the mystery appeal quickly wearing off.
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“He barely practiced at Kentucky,” the scout told Barlowe. “Didn’t want to play in games and he didn’t want to play at combine. Who’s advising him? He can’t hide forever. Does he want to play in summer league?”
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“A lot of what came through from sources was that absolutely nothing was done at game speed, with most of the drills in terms of his handle being executed more slowly than what he’ll face on an NBA court,” The Athletic shared Monday. “He didn’t do anything complex. For a player who few have actually seen at high-level game speed much, the workout didn’t provide any insight into the actual questions to which decision-makers would like some semblance of an answer before potentially selecting him on draft night.
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Note: Frustration was more at Sharpe's advisors not Shaedon
So he's a good kid. Who listens to his family/advisors moreso, even to his detriment.
yal really want a repeat of zion?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:07 pm to Bronc
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Like I said and continue to ask for, just give me some sources or point me in the specific direction(which podcast would be nice to see if it's one I missed and can then judge myself, as can anyone else that chooses) "concerns about his camp" is so vague as to be meaningless without further context.
I listen to every Russillo, KOC, and most of the Bill Simmons (basketball related) pods, it would take a minute to find the exact pod that it was mentioned in
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:09 pm to cgrand
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Chet/ivey/paolo all have collegiate tape to watch and evaluate. They had nothing else to show. Sharpe does not, he has plenty that he needs to show
Unfortunately it is to the prospects advantage not to show anything...
You answered your own question.
After Sharpe blew people away with his drills and workouts, and cemented himself as a top 8ish pick, likely top 6, there is little to gain from giving scouts additional tape that can be used to doubt you.
The hard and fast rule is that the combine is for players looking to move up, and when you are a consensus top 6 prospect, there isn't much to gain and a whole lot to lose.
It's frustrating for fans/scouts, but this is a business first and foremost, and he's following standard NBA advice. The same his peers are all following.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:14 pm to Bronc
We're never going to have the information to know one way or another. The question is has the FO earned our trust after last season? For me they have.
In previous seasons Griff seemed to be looking to maximize future assets. Last season they went for plugging existing holes and combined with adding Willie Green, finally gave the team an identity. They have something to aim for now and that should make deciding on players easier.
In previous seasons Griff seemed to be looking to maximize future assets. Last season they went for plugging existing holes and combined with adding Willie Green, finally gave the team an identity. They have something to aim for now and that should make deciding on players easier.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:14 pm to Bronc
His "peers" have played basketball.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:17 pm to Fun Bunch
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His "peers" have played basketball.
And?
"goodwill" and "make scouts life easier" are not exactly compelling reasons to take on undue risk to your draft position(ad by extension financial future) by doing more than what is needed to land as the top 5 or 6 player on most boards.
If he falls past 10, then I think it would be fair to criticize their decisions, but even this article doesn't see him falling past 8, and if he even gets there, that multiple teams would look to trade up to get him.
Seems to me his "camp" is doing the wise thing. Even if all of us would have liked to see him participate in everything for our own piece of mind.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:19 pm to Bronc
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Seems to me his "camp" is doing the wise thing.
Maybe not based on how much it seems to be pissing off scouts and execs.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:25 pm to Bronc
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You answered your own question.
i made a statement, i did not ask a question
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:26 pm to Fun Bunch
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Maybe not based on how much it seems to be pissing off scouts and execs.
If he drops past 10 then maybe you can say that, but if he goes 5-8, what exactly has been lost?
Right now the majority of analysts still project he goes 5 or 6, where he will earn between 15-17 million his first three years. At 8 he'll earn 13.2.
If he works outs, struggles, he's only hurting his earning potential. Making that 4 or 5 selection impossible and opening up the chance of sliding behind players in the next tier.
He's playing the same game the other top picks are
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:30 pm to htran90
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yal really want a repeat of zion?
You mean a generational talent where people created fantastical head cannon based on incomplete information and turns out is not anywhere close to the toxic character his most ardent catastrophizers clutched pearls about for the last two years?
Yes, I would very much like another one of those, please.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:33 pm to htran90
quote:Why don't posters include links?
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According to NBA Big Board Director of Scouting Rafael Barlowe, Sharpe’s minimal body of work at Kentucky and throughout the draft process has teams hesitant, if not turned off entirely.
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A third scout said the Kentucky guard’s continued absence in high-profile settings leads to questions about those advising him, with the mystery appeal quickly wearing off.
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“He barely practiced at Kentucky,” the scout told Barlowe. “Didn’t want to play in games and he didn’t want to play at combine. Who’s advising him? He can’t hide forever. Does he want to play in summer league?”
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“A lot of what came through from sources was that absolutely nothing was done at game speed, with most of the drills in terms of his handle being executed more slowly than what he’ll face on an NBA court,” The Athletic shared Monday. “He didn’t do anything complex. For a player who few have actually seen at high-level game speed much, the workout didn’t provide any insight into the actual questions to which decision-makers would like some semblance of an answer before potentially selecting him on draft night.
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Note: Frustration was more at Sharpe's advisors not Shaedon
So he's a good kid. Who listens to his family/advisors moreso, even to his detriment.
yal really want a repeat of zion?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:35 pm to Bronc
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I would actually like to turn the challenge around, can you name me the teams in the last 7 years that drafted top 8 and had a second round playoff caliber roster already in tow?
First of all, you can think we are a second round playoff caliber roster all you want, until we prove it, we aren't one.
So lets look at teams that actually made the playoffs with rookies on the roster selected in the top 10.
Evan Mobley is starting in his rookie year on a team that made the playoffs.
Scottie Barnes is starting in his rookie year on a team that made the playoffs.
Ziare Williams is playing his rookie year on a team that made the playoffs. 62 games, 17mpg
Okongwu saw 50 games, 12mpg on ATL's EFC team. He missed 20 of the first 29 games (he had knee issues early on if i remember correctly), but they eventually gave him a shot, although he doesn't look like anything special.
Jalen Smith barely played, 27 games, 5mpg as Phoenix made it to the finals.
Zach Collins played in 66 games, 16mpg for a 49 win Portland team that got their arse kicked by the Pels in the playoffs.
Jaylen Brown played in 78 games, 17mpg for a team that made the ECF.
Jamal Murray played in all 82 games, 21mpg for a 40 win Nuggets team that had talent better than their record showed.
Poeltl played in 54 games, 12mpg for a 51 win Raptors team that lost in the 2nd round.
Thon Maker played in 57 games, 10mpg for a 42 win Bucks team that lost in the 1st round.
You already mentioned Wiseman/Moody/Kuminga with the Warriors, and they've had more than enough injuries and other players that shouldn't be playing more than a top pick like Moody.
But Kuminga played in 70 games, 17mpg. That's significant enough.
Herro wasn't Top 10, but he was playing a significant role in the NBA Finals his rookie year.
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There is room for a 1/2/3 guard/wing that can shoot and defend to steal 15-20 minutes, or step up with injury,
which is why i will keep saying that if we draft someone at the SG/SF position that can't get those 15 mpg, then he probably sucks, b/c the minutes are without a doubt there for the taking.
All they have to do is show promise and they'll get the minutes over DG or Jax (if we draft a PF/C) eventually, and then you'll see DG or Jax get traded.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:35 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I think we are in the perfect position to take a risk. This pick is basically like playing with house money. It all depends on how the organization feels he fits on the team and whether he is a threat to the culture they are building. If he is not, he may be worth taking a chance on.
I know this could look super dumb in a couple of years if he turns into a superstar, but for us...I would pass. See if someone wants him enough to move up and gives great value, or just take someone else.
Honestly I just hope Portland decides to take him or moves that pick and someone does.
A team like us can take some risks, but I feel like that is way too big of a risk.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:37 pm to NOSHAU
Hell, even if they think he isn’t a great fit, he still may be a trade asset compared to other draft picks simply because of potential.
Once they have watched enough minutes of you and determined your flaws, you aren’t worth nearly as much as when you are an unknown.
Once they have watched enough minutes of you and determined your flaws, you aren’t worth nearly as much as when you are an unknown.
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