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re: Pels select Branden Dawson, michigan State or Cash Considerations
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:55 am to The Pirate King
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:55 am to The Pirate King
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having to overpay for FA's.
You mean like pretty much every NBA team, every year?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:55 am to The Pirate King
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The Pirate King
How about instead of going on a tangent about stuff you have very little inside information about, you wait a couple of weeks and see what kind of moves we make in free agency or even better, you actually see what this team looks like under a different system with a very solid coaching staff. Can you do us all a favor and shut up for a little bit with all this bullshite? Probably the most pointless argument when we haven't even gotten to free agency yet.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:56 am to VOR
Better than spelling fails.
And that's your opinion.
And that's your opinion.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:56 am to LSUpelsSaints
You keep responding to me, I'm hoping eventually you'll understand that I don't care what you're saying.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:04 am to The Pirate King
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We have basically maxed out our cap
It was already maxed out. Not having Asik doesn't give us any functional cap space. That was the entire point of trading for him.
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Do you really want to sign him long to a 40-50 million dollar deal
I'm still undecided whether I want a 1 year overpay or a 4 year declining deal. With a 4/$40 declining, year's 3 and 4 are equivalent to around $6 million in today's cap dollars. Asik making backup money to be the 3rd big that we may not even see in certain match ups is a lot more appealing than Asik making starter money with a starter's role.
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How does he fit in Gentry's uptempo Phoenix Suns offense?
He fit in Houston's fast paced offense just fine, in fact one of the Rockets fans that frequents here said he looks like a different player (in a bad way) with the Pelicans. But if he doesn't fit, that goes back to what I said before, you can argue that Mozgov or Koufos would have been better targets, but I don't think you can argue that playing last year and this coming year with a Stiemsma level center was the way to go. The decision of slow vs. fast rebuild has already been made, there's not much point in half assing it because fans are easily excited by draft picks.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:11 am to TigerinATL
All our commodities are known (except for AD, who keeps getting better). In my eyes, i'd rather players that have upside and potential to be great, than one superstar and a bunch of slightly above average players that have pretty much hit their ceilings and are collecting massive paychecks with little return.
Difference of opinion and philosophy I suppose.
Difference of opinion and philosophy I suppose.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:12 am to TigerinATL
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He fit in Houston's fast paced offense just fine, in fact one of the Rockets fans that frequents here said he looks like a different player (in a bad way) with the Pelicans.
Yep. I didn't watch too much of Houston then, but supposedly he was very good with the quick outlet pass after a defensive rebound. That's not a bad thing for a fast paced team.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:30 am to The Pirate King
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Difference of opinion and philosophy I suppose.
Slow build vs. accelerated build is a legit debate, it's just a moot point with the team having already picked a strategy, so derailing threads 2 years later because you disagree with the direction Benson/Loomis/Demps went is like the people that would make posts every time a former Hornican had a big game with another team.
If you want to start your own thread to debate slow vs. fast knock yourself out, but you're really dragging things off topic when you take a thread with the narrow scope of the 56th pick in the draft and make it about you not liking the macro team building strategy.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:42 am to TigerinATL
I'm not "derailing" the thread. The thread was about the pick. Which we sold, which I don't agree with. Try not being so condescending when you disagree with someone.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:43 am to The Pirate King
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You keep responding to me, I'm hoping eventually you'll understand that I don't care what you're saying.
Just like nobody cares what you're saying, yet you don't stop spewing crap.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:46 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Yet they keep responding...so obviously they do care. i don't talk to myself.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:53 am to The Pirate King
Its the 56th pick. Do you realize how rare it is that that pick would amount to even making the team, let alone contributing?
Do you realize what selling for cash allows us to do, or do you just think it goes right in Benson's pocket to never be seen again?
Do you realize what selling for cash allows us to do, or do you just think it goes right in Benson's pocket to never be seen again?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:53 am to The Pirate King
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I'm not "derailing" the thread. The thread was about the pick. Which we sold, which I don't agree with.
According to you it's not selling the pick itself that you don't agree with.
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I said selling the pick coupled with doing NOTHING in the draft for a team that has no cap room to sign FA's is stupid. This shows a pattern year after year of auctioning off the future and having to overpay for FA's.
you're right. All that matters is the end result though, and in the end...we came up with nothing....again.
Also, you played a pretty big role in making page 3 about Gentry being a retread.
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Try not being so condescending when you disagree with someone.
Your name might as well be boom the way this thread has gone. I'm not trying to condescend, I'm asking you to be better than a rival fan that likes to troll us.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:55 am to TigerinATL
On topic, can these "cash considerations" be combined with our $3m to send out $6M in a future trade or are we still limited to sending out $3M?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:56 am to Galactic Inquisitor
You are limited to receiving $3.3 and sending $3.3. One doesn't change the other. I think how it is most likely to be used is what Thrillho hit on, we're going to be bumping up against the tax. I saw a recent projection of $2 million per non tax team payout, so $500k would help offset the bonus we won't get if we cross the tax line, or it could be used to buyout a foreign contract like we did with Ajinca and Babbitt. I wonder if He has a buyout?
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/26/15 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
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I wonder if He has a buyout?
Who is He?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 10:10 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 6/26/15 at 10:12 am to Fun Bunch
When the jokes write themselves for you, how can you not take advantage?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:40 am to The Pirate King
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I said selling the pick coupled with doing NOTHING in the draft for a team that has no cap room to sign FA's is stupid. This shows a pattern year after year of auctioning off the future and having to overpay for FA's.
Whatever we sold it for, is worth more than what we would have gotten had we kept it. As my original post pointed out, that pick is worth a ham sandwich.
We didn't do NOTHING in the draft. We traded our 18th pick for Omer Asik, it just happened a year ago. Did you want to trade next years pick for something too, or do you want to keep not having picks? Or maybe you wanted to trade our flame thrower for an unproven guy in the late 20's that history says has a 10% chance of panning into anything, much less a legit player like we'd have to give up to get it.
No we don't have cap room....this year. Doesn't mean we can't or won't make moves this summer.
Next year we will have enough to give a max contract out if we wanted to. Have some patience. We aren't winning a championship this year, we are still building on one. We've got at least 6 more years of AD, we've got time.
This team, when healthy, can be a very good team, a top 4 team in the West. Get to that level this year, get rid of EG/Ryno contracts, hopefully Asiks, and upgrade next summer with FA's and we may have a contender.
FA's will want to come play here if we are a top 4 team and we have the best player in the league. New Orleans might not be LA or NYC, but it sure as shite ain't Cleveland, or Minnesota, or Milwaukee.
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