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Pels expected to sign jalen jones

Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:53 am
Posted by lsutigers23
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:53 am
Details of what kind of contract have not been released yet....
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:55 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:56 am to
I'm quite sure it's an unguaranteed camp body deal or 2 way GLeague contract
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:56 am to
I'm betting he's a 2 way contract. Several teams have signed 2 way guys already and Jones seemed like the most consistent performer on the SL team that wasn't already on the official roster.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:57 am to
Yeah, I always thought Jones and Cousins' brother would get the two-ways. I assume Toupane will be cut, but won't sign a two-way as he thinks he may be able to get a call up from other teams.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:58 am
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:02 am to
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Cousins' brother


You think just as payola? He only averaged 9 MPG with the Pels SL. And I'm totally fine using a 2 way spot to pay part of Cousins' entourage. It's way cheaper than wasting a first on Geert Hammink.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:03 am
Posted by Machine
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:08 am to
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Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:17 am to
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You think just as payola?


Absolutely. Cheap way to make his family happy and engender feeelings of loyalty. As long as his brother is not a distraction, I think they will also occasionally call him up and let him practice with the team/sit end of the bench & earn some money.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:20 am to
i get it, but, man, that is a waste of a spot for an actual prospect. it's not like the Pels have a stable of young guys to where they can afford to burn a spot to keep a guy happy.

and they have leverage w/ Cousins too. if he cant make it work w/ Anthony Davis or he keeps blowing up, he just becomes more radioactive entering free agency when cap space will be at a premium
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:33 am to
The spot is worthless. From what I have read most guys who have had any success in the d-league are being advised by agents NOT to sign the two-way contracts. Sure we could use it on someone like Jok, but he isn't going to contribute in any way. If you get the chance to make Cousins happy and like the organization more for so little cost, you take it.

I get the idea that if him and AD clck, he should stay,.
However what if they click and we make the playoffs, but we draw the Warriors and get swept in the 1st round or just lose to the Rockets or Spurs, maybe Cousins thinks about going East to play with Wall and get away from the West.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:36 am
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:34 am to
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i get it, but, man, that is a waste of a spot for an actual prospect.


They still don't have their own GLeague team. Is Peter Jok to Europe that much different than Jok on a 2 way bouncing around the GLeague? He probably has no shot at meaningful NBA minutes this year anyway. I know in the past Demps has gotten guys he likes hooked up with euro teams he had relationships with. Although the instance I'm remembering might have been Pierre Jackson and Jackson playing Euroball didn't go very well
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:40 am to
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If you get the chance to make Cousins happy and like the organization more for so little cost, you take it.


Part of the appeal of NOLA is being 2 hours from home. The team paying your brother to be your personal valet will only make that connection to home stronger. Again, only one transaction matters between now and July 2018. Resigning Cousins.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:40 am to
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The spot is worthless. From what I have read most guys who have had any success in the d-league are being advised by agents NOT to sign the two-way contracts


that is true. Cato had a great article on this. 2 way players wont be the top GLeague guys.

same time, there will be guys who take that offer. guys the Pels can try to develop. it's a tool to help, they should try to use it that way rather than appeasing Cousins. a million other ways they can do that.

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They still don't have their own GLeague team.


now that is fair. and i dont know enough about the length for those contracts. but we talk about the organization being a mess. then rumors swirl of doing this and we excuse it. would San Antonio do this? Golden State?
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:00 am to
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would San Antonio do this? Golden State?


Yes I think they would. It is a star driven league. It's not like we are giving him a roster spot. Two way contracts are worthless. They can only be 1 or 2 years. Would you really have Peter Jok signed for 1 or 2 years on a two-way contract or make one of your stars that much happier.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 6:48 am to
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Two way contracts are worthless


you keep saying that, but it just isnt true. are they long shots? of course. any GLeague or minimum signing guy is. for players, there are drawbacks for 2 way deals. for teams, they are good deals. several teams, including the Spurs and Warriors, have already inked 2 way deals.


one of the alleged strengths of Demps is finding fringe talent. here is an opportunity to try to do so in a cost friendly way for a team that is capped out and in desperate need of more talent.

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It is a star driven league


yes. it is a star driven league. the smart stars use their leverage to hold teams accountable for good, winning decisions, not handouts. and, again, the Pels have leverage w/ Cousins too. he has a bad rep. if he self-destructs again, this time next to Davis, where is his market?

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or make one of your stars that much happier.


quite a leap that Cousins will be that much happier for his brother to be on a worthless contract. wouldnt he rather his own brother not sign such a worthless deal?
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/26/17 at 7:12 am to
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now that is fair. and i dont know enough about the length for those contracts. but we talk about the organization being a mess. then rumors swirl of doing this and we excuse it. would San Antonio do this? Golden State?


Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 8:14 am to
good pull from a non-guaranteed, 2 month, 6 game preseason stint 4 years ago. i'm surprised you couldnt find any pics of Seth and Mychel Thompson playing together in Santa Cruz.

you do realize that a 2 way contract is different than what those 2 guys were on. the D-League itself paid for their salaries, while a 2 way contract is paid for by the NBA team.


if the Pels think Jaleel is worth developing, great. sign him up.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9942 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:57 am to
It seems like you are letting a bias against Cousins cloud your evaluation of this. The two-way spot is just not worth that much to the team and re-signing Cousins is a HUGE deal. If it was AD's walk year and AD's brother, would you be making the same argument???

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ou keep saying that, but it just isnt true. are they long shots? of course. any GLeague or minimum signing guy is. for players, there are drawbacks for 2 way deals. for teams, they are good deals. several teams, including the Spurs and Warriors, have already inked 2 way deals.

one of the alleged strengths of Demps is finding fringe talent. here is an opportunity to try to do so in a cost friendly way for a team that is capped out and in desperate need of more talent.



And you keep saying we need to develop talent with the valuable 2-way spot, but we do not have a G-League team and the 2-way guys can only spend 45 days with the big squad. We will also be developing Frank Jackson, Cheick and the other 2-way spot. So how likely is it that we develop a second 2-way guy (17th spot) who will actually contribute within 2 years given those limitations?

Earning good will with Cousins is worth exponenetially more than the opportunity to prevent another team from picking up a Peter Jok level player.

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yes. it is a star driven league. the smart stars use their leverage to hold teams accountable for good, winning decisions, not handouts. and, again, the Pels have leverage w/ Cousins too. he has a bad rep. if he self-destructs again, this time next to Davis, where is his market?



Demarcus didn't ask us to sign his brother. But we should give a two-way to Jaleel to earn goodwill with him. Anyone signed to the 2-way has exceedingly tiny odds of contributing this year (or next year for that matter).

The Pelicans have no leverage with Cousins other than they can offer more than other teams. Cousins is a star whether you want to admit that or not. He will have a market regardless of whether the Davis pairing works out because teams/coaches always think they can fix talented players with attitude issues and most think the pairing of two high usage bigs is a poor fit especially with the rest of the Pels roster. And if Cousins is a model citizen and contributes to a winning team, then he is going to have a ton of suitors.

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quite a leap that Cousins will be that much happier for his brother to be on a worthless contract. wouldnt he rather his own brother not sign such a worthless deal?


Cousins' brother is probably an end of bench g-league guy if that. We would essentially be giving his brother $200k and an opportunity to work out with him and develop as a player. That is not an opportunity he would get if he was not related to Boogie. You think that will not be seen in a positive light?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 4:34 pm to
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It seems like you are letting a bias against Cousins cloud your evaluation of this
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Cousins is a star whether you want to admit that or not


bullshite innuendo/bait is beneath you




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You think that will not be seen in a positive light?


jesus christ. of course. you really think i dont understand your point? i'm playing for bigger stakes than payola. process matters and, to me, this would be poor process from an organization that hasnt shown much good process.




more than anything else, the Pels need to prove to Cousins and Davis that they are a legit organization dedicated to winning.

is it so awful if they are honest about Jaleel's chances, if they agree w/ your own assessment of his talent, and then explain they arent signing him to an unearned contract? if they say that Jaleel is "probably an end of bench g-league guy if that" and they want to use every resource available to bring in the best players they can find to help Cousins and Davis play for a title?


maybe you're right and that is part of the secret sauce to up their chances to keep Cousins. but i suspect he would respect and understand the points laid out above (and i wouldnt do anything differently for Davis).



i'll bow out now and we can agree to disagree

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61492 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 4:57 pm to
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this would be poor process from an organization that hasnt shown much good process.



I don't see how practicing good process by trying to develop a Peter Jok is even remotely as beneficial to the team as hooking up Cousins' brother with a job with the team. I don't think the payola angle earns the Pels anything other than good will. However, it should serve to remind DeMarcus pretty regularly that home is just a 2 hour car ride away, and I think that will be worth something when he's considering his options.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 7/26/17 at 5:30 pm to
i mean, you could have kept reading to the part where i explain the way i think that process is beneficial to the tea



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should serve to remind DeMarcus pretty regularly that home is just a 2 hour car ride away


that is absurd. Cousins will forget that NO is close to Mobile UNLESS his brother is given an unearned roster spot?

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