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re: Pelicans more committed to Monty than Demps
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:40 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:40 am to TigerinATL
Well by looking at how "lost" and "out of it" Benson looks at the games, I wouldn't be surprised if he's with us much longer. ( Or at the capacity to be making decisions.) Hopefully Rita, or whomever is going be making the decisions, isn't "enamored" with this a-hole.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 10:43 am
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:43 am to TigerinATL
I still think Monty should have been canned after this season but if we don't make the playoffs next year, there should not be any doubt anymore at all.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:44 am to Gtothemoney
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this a-hole.
damn, dude
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:47 am to quail man
quote:I don't know about awful but he is definitely a below-average NBA coach. He seems to add absolutely nothing to his team. That can happen in the NBA. Vinny Del Negro is one of the worst head coaches the NBA saw in the past decade and he led a team to a franchise record in wins. Mike Brown had one of the best records of any coach the last decade and he is widely-regarded as a bottom-tier coach. Byron fricking Scott went to back-to-back Finals, etc.
quote: scott brooks is a fricking awful coach
what?
Brooks has always reminded more of that breed of coach than the Popoviches, Rivers, Thibodeaus of the league.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:47 am to quail man
Yeah, I don't like him, if you never noticed.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:59 am to Jamohn
when i hear "awful" i think bottom 5, maybe bottom 3 in the league. i can think of 10 off the top of my head that coached this season i'd not take over scott brooks.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 10:59 am to Gtothemoney
If this is true, then they better make some moves to build a more traditional/old school roster. It's our only hope of winning with Monty.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:07 am to HickfawJim1
Agreed. I'd prefer Dell over Monty, but one or the other has to go soon. It's clear to anyone with a brain that the roster Dell has built/is building doesn't mesh with Monty's coaching style.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:10 am to mm2316
I would be fine with canning them both and starting over. Neither seem to have any direction. Monty cannot coach in-game and Dell seems to make moves just for the sake of making moves and not defining the direction of the team.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:37 am to NOSHAU
I think the roster makes entirely perfect sense for a coach like D'Antoni or Karl (free agent coaches).
It's a run and gun team. We are supposed to be running teams out of the building with our athleticism, young legs, slashers, and floor spreaders.
Monty won't embrace that model though, as his 27th ranked defensive coach mindset is etched in stone.
I firmly believe that Monty wouldn't even know how to coach a fast-paced style team anyways.
It's a run and gun team. We are supposed to be running teams out of the building with our athleticism, young legs, slashers, and floor spreaders.
Monty won't embrace that model though, as his 27th ranked defensive coach mindset is etched in stone.
I firmly believe that Monty wouldn't even know how to coach a fast-paced style team anyways.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:42 am to mm2316
Another thing to think about is that Benson and Loomis actually want the old school approach to roster structuring. So even if Monty loses his job, his replacement would have a similar philosophy. Which would be fine as long as the new coach makes better in-game decisions. Old-school can still work. You just need the right coach and roster.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:46 am to ShamelessPel
D'Antoni? lol absolutely not.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:47 am to TotesMcGotes
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D'Antoni? lol absolutely not.
Are you joking? Throw his latest gigs out of the window and try to remember his Suns teams that actually had cohesive talent on them.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:49 am to ShamelessPel
quote:
I think the roster makes entirely perfect sense for a coach like D'Antoni or Karl (free agent coaches).
It's a run and gun team. We are supposed to be running teams out of the building with our athleticism, young legs, slashers, and floor spreaders.
Monty won't embrace that model though, as his 27th ranked defensive coach mindset is etched in stone.
I firmly believe that Monty wouldn't even know how to coach a fast-paced style team anyways.
Completely agree.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:51 am to ShamelessPel
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:51 am to NOSHAU
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I would be fine with canning them both and starting over. Neither seem to have any direction. Monty cannot coach in-game and Dell seems to make moves just for the sake of making moves and not defining the direction of the team.
Go find me another team that had their top 6 players miss more than 200 games combined (maybe the Lakers?). I would say that this team deserves (what we can hope to be) an intact season before we jump to big time conclusions. It isn't Monty's or Demps' fault that these injuries happened.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 11:57 am to ShamelessPel
I think non-Suns Dantoni is much closer to the real thing than Suns Dantoni. Suns Dantoni had a once-in-a-generation Steve Nash who was PERFECT for running that system. Nash was so unique in his prime. I don't think there has ever been a player that existed that could get more out of the Dantoni system than Nash. There have been and are better overall PGs, but none that fit as well as he did.
I would argue that Nuggets/Knicks/Lakers Dantoni gives you a picture of what he really is with Phx being the anomaly, not the other way around.
Eta: I'd be ALL IN for Karl though
I would argue that Nuggets/Knicks/Lakers Dantoni gives you a picture of what he really is with Phx being the anomaly, not the other way around.
Eta: I'd be ALL IN for Karl though
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:30 pm to Noplacelikehome
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It isn't Monty's or Demps' fault that these injuries happened.
yes, it isn't monty's fault that he lost his star players for long stretches.
It is his fault however to still continue to play roberts 30mpg while reke got 20mpg after jrue's injury.
That you can blame him for, and that is why we lost more games than we should have.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 1:44 pm to Jamohn
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Knicks/Lakers Dantoni
A) How is he supposed to run with the likes of Felton/Melo/Chandler/Stoudemire taking up the majority of their cap?
B) Ditto with running the floor with bionic knees Kobe and Pau Gasol. If you thought our roster last year was a joke with the injuries, go look at the 2014 Lakers.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 2:06 pm to ShamelessPel
Copying and pasting what I said in a thread a few months back
Demps has brought a lot of talent to a franchise that can't normally attract the big names via FA. I think he kinda screwed us this past year by completely ignoring the C position and subjecting us to Greg Steimsma but he has a lot of wins as a GM. Monty Williams is not a good coach. He seems like a good man, a religious and family oriented one at that. I don't think the players dislike him but he is not a coach for this roster.
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August 11 2010
Traded guard Darren Collison and James Posey to the Indiana Pacers for forward Trevor Ariza from the Houston Rockets; traded forward Julian Wright to the Toronto Raptors for guard Marco Belinelli.
Win
September 23 2010
Traded forwards Craig Brackins and Darius Songaila to the Philadelphia 76ers for guard Willie Green and forward Jason Smith.
Win
October 23 2010
Traded a conditional first-round pick and cash to the Portland Trail Blazers for guard Jerryd Bayless.
Loss
November 20 2010
Traded guard Jerryd Bayless and forward Predrag Stojakovic to the Toronto Raptors for guards Jarrett Jack and Marcus Banks and center David Andersen.
Win
February 23 2011
Traded guard Marcus Thornton and cash to the Sacramento Kings for forward Carl Landry.
Toss Up but Monty forced him to get something for MT since he hated him
December 14 2011
Traded guard Chris Paul and two 2015 second-round picks to the Los Angeles Clippers for guard Eric Gordon, forward Al-Farouq Aminu, center Chris Kaman and a 2012 first-round pick.
Looks like a loss but these were unique circumstances - still got something for someone who was walking
December 24 2011
Waived guard Jerome Dyson and traded forward Quincy Pondexter to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Greivis Vasquez.
Win at the time
June 20 2012
Traded forward Trevor Ariza and center Emeka Okafor to the Washington Wizards for forward Rashard Lewis and the 46th overall pick.
Good move at the time - got rid of a lot of $$
Draft 2012
Selected forwards Anthony Davis (1st overall pick) and Darius Miller (46th overall pick) and guard Austin Rivers (10th overall pick).
Win on 2/3 - I think he's lucky that Drummond didn't fall. I think he would've still taken AR and probably costs him his job.
July 11 2012
Traded center Gustavo Ayon to the Orlando Magic for Ryan Anderson and traded guard Jarrett Jack to the Golden State Warriors and center Darryl Watkins to the Philadelphia 76ers for the rights to forward Edin Bavcic.
Win
July 14 2012
Matched the offered sheet tendered to guard Eric Gordon by the Phoenix Suns.
Loss
July 27 2012
Traded guard Jerome Dyson and center Brad Miller to the Phoenix Suns and two second-round picks to the Minnesota Timberwolves for center Robin Lopez and Hakim Warrick from the Phoenix Suns.
Win
July 10 2013
Traded guard Terrel Harris and Robin Lopez to the Portland Trail Blazers and Greivis Vasquez to the Sacramento Kings for the draft rights to center Jeff Withey from the Portland Trail Blazers and guard Tyreke Evans from the Sacramento Kings.
TBD - I like Lopez but Reke can still be effective with the right coach IMO
Re-signed forward Al-Farouq Aminu, signed center Greg Stiemsma and waived forward Lance Thomas. Gross
Demps has brought a lot of talent to a franchise that can't normally attract the big names via FA. I think he kinda screwed us this past year by completely ignoring the C position and subjecting us to Greg Steimsma but he has a lot of wins as a GM. Monty Williams is not a good coach. He seems like a good man, a religious and family oriented one at that. I don't think the players dislike him but he is not a coach for this roster.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 2:09 pm
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