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re: Paul George: Should we?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
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Yes. What Paul George really costs you is the assets you'd need to move contracts and create cap space for when Jimmy Butler is a FA in a few years. So would you rather make a sales pitch to Paul George for an entire year, or have the ability to hope Jimmy Butler will choose you in FA?
I see where you're coming from and that makes a lot of sense. I'm all for the all in strategy. We might as well shoot for the stars with how we lucked into Boogie.
But the other option is to stay as flexible as possible while winning enough next year to keep Boogie. Doing that buys you some time to make other splash moves as they come available. You could argue that plan is just as risky as trading for George. But we'd likely also keep our picks with that scenario. Which is important because if this fails, that's our fall back. If we get George, we have no fall back plan. We suck for years with no way to rebuild and have no assets to give. That's scary as hell.
ETA: I suppose trading AD would be our fall-back plan like Ballhawk said. That makes all this a little less terrifying. I just don't think we could survive as a franchise if we fell into a situation like Brooklyn. Which is why I'm so hesitant
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:33 am
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:33 am to Crewz
quote:Think Lakers can probably get George for Russell and a 1st if Cavs balk at trading Love.
You send Love or Thompson to a 3rd team and those assets to Pacers for George. Might take a bad contract or two, also. But yeah, the Lakers can send Russell and Zubic and just be done with it
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:45 am to TigerinATL
I think George fits the roster much better than Butler because he is much better off ball. If we can get him without completely mortgaging the future (ie the 2018 1st plus 2 swaps MM suggested) then you have to go for that. If you are giving up multiple unprotected 1sts and swaps like Brooklyn then that could decimate the franchise if it goes south and it is not worth it.
If AD, Jrue, and Cousins combine for $80M+ in 2 years, you cannot make the cap space to sign Butler anyways. And Butler isn't going to pick NOLA. Upper tier players don't pick us. Even though George would more than likely not re-sign, it is probably worth it to have a full year to sell him though he would also have a full year to sell boogie on LA too.
If AD, Jrue, and Cousins combine for $80M+ in 2 years, you cannot make the cap space to sign Butler anyways. And Butler isn't going to pick NOLA. Upper tier players don't pick us. Even though George would more than likely not re-sign, it is probably worth it to have a full year to sell him though he would also have a full year to sell boogie on LA too.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:46 am to NOSHAU
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Think Lakers can probably get George for Russell and a 1st if Cavs balk at trading Love.
George's agent reps Russell and Randle. Neither are going anywhere in a George trade.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:53 am to Hazelnut
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But the other option is to stay as flexible as possible
Stay flexible for who? John Wall is going to get one of the new extensions and stay put. Jimmy Butler will probably get traded to a good home before the Pels even have a shot to get on his radar in FA. Nobody the Pels would have a shot at will be better than Paul George.
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I suppose trading AD would be our fall-back plan
Plan B is "just" become a team like the Grizzlies/Clippers with AD/DC. If Cousins resigns AD will probably extend. Short of PG-13 knocking knees with AD taking them both out and missing the playoffs, I don't see anyway that Paul George makes Cousins leaving more likely. If Cousins stays I think it's very likely that AD extends and then you just have to be extra good filling out the edges in FA because you won't have draft picks to do it. But that's the one GM skill we think Demps is pretty good at.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:00 am to NOFOX
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though he would also have a full year to sell boogie on LA too.
AD and Boogie are BFFs
NOLA is a few hours away from home
The Pels are looking to build the offense around Cousins' skill set
The Pels can pay Cousins a little more plus the 5th year
Paul George would have to be a silver tongued devil to bring Cousins back to California.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:06 am to TigerinATL
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Stay flexible for who? John Wall is going to get one of the new extensions and stay put. Jimmy Butler will probably get traded to a good home before the Pels even have a shot to get on his radar in FA. Nobody the Pels would have a shot at will be better than Paul George.
Who knows. A lot can change over a couple of years. Players that aren't even on our radar could become available for a number of reasons. However, you're probably right no one will give us a better shot than PG. And waiting for someone to become available or for us to strike gold with a mid first round pick is much less of a sure thing. I'm pretty much sold on selling the farm for him.
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Plan B is "just" become a team like the Grizzlies/Clippers with AD/DC. If Cousins resigns AD will probably extend. Short of PG-13 knocking knees with AD taking them both out and missing the playoffs, I don't see anyway that Paul George makes Cousins leaving more likely. If Cousins stays I think it's very likely that AD extends and then you just have to be extra good filling out the edges in FA because you won't have draft picks to do it. But that's the one GM skill we think Demps is pretty good at.
I could see Cousins leaving if PG leaves. He's not dumb. He would see that we would be stuck in mediocrity if PG left and he could easily want to start fresh. But I could see him staying like you say. I just think it'd be less of a sure thing than you think.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:15 am to Hazelnut
one more reason not to re sign holiday
it's the only way to stay even remotely flexible during the lifespan of davis' and cousins' contracts
holiday is not a needle mover but George certainly is
it's the only way to stay even remotely flexible during the lifespan of davis' and cousins' contracts
holiday is not a needle mover but George certainly is
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:18 am to Hazelnut
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He would see that we would be stuck in mediocrity
I've been trying to figure this out. I think it's safe to say that any team that wants Cousins as it's best player is bad enough that Cousins wouldn't want them. What team besides the Pels would want Cousins as their 2nd best player?
Radioactive might be too strong of a word but I think Cousins is viewed negatively enough that he's probably at the bottom of the list of tier 2 stars you'd want on your team. Boston could have had Cousins but decided not to and will probably get rid of their cap space this year. So what team that will have cap space next year will also need a center and want Cousins?
I guess if AD/DC looks like it doesn't work for #basketballreasons then maybe Cousins could follow George to LA, but if AD/DC does work I really don't see why Cousins would leave. Would LA be any less mediocre than the Pels? AD > PG-13 and there are enough good guards in LA that they probably don't build the offense around Cousins like they're planning to here.
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 10:24 am
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:22 am to TigerinATL
I would obviously make a play for PG and take the risk if I'm Dell.
Don't think we can get him, and I definitely don't want to Brooklyn Nets ourselves...
But a team with Paul George, AD, Boogie is going to win a shitload of games.
Don't think we can get him, and I definitely don't want to Brooklyn Nets ourselves...
But a team with Paul George, AD, Boogie is going to win a shitload of games.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:25 am to Fun Bunch
The BSS photographer is having some fun in photoshop
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Andrew Smith? @DruProductions 5 minutes ago
Paul George would look good in a Pels jersey
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:31 am to TigerinATL
You make a good point. Maybe there isn't a market for DC amoungst the contenders. However, with all the "super teams" forming and the rest of the playoff caliber teams desperate to compete, there may be more of a market than you think. Still, with the way Boogie is wired, I like our chances of re-signing him barring a complete disaster this season.
But if we were to sign PG and he left, I'd have way less of an idea where Boogie's head is at. Because if we don't get George, the team can still make the case that they have the ability to add talent via the draft or use future picks to trade for more talent. They can pitch that "hope" to him. If PG leaves then we can't really make that argument and Boogie may see it as a sinking ship. He may not though. Either way, worst case scenario we'd be able to trade AD to start over if all else fails.
But if we were to sign PG and he left, I'd have way less of an idea where Boogie's head is at. Because if we don't get George, the team can still make the case that they have the ability to add talent via the draft or use future picks to trade for more talent. They can pitch that "hope" to him. If PG leaves then we can't really make that argument and Boogie may see it as a sinking ship. He may not though. Either way, worst case scenario we'd be able to trade AD to start over if all else fails.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:32 am to TigerinATL
He did say he's going to LA I guess that means Louisiana
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:40 am to oVo
abso-fricking-lutely. they're about to be in rebuild mode and we're in shite or get off the pot mode. throw in however many draft picks and players not named davis, cousins, or holiday, as it takes
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:44 am to NOFOX
quote:you really think he'd still want to go play for the Lavarball Lakers after playing a season with Jrue, Anthony and DeMarcus? find that one very hard to believe, that organization will remain a dumpster fire for a few more seasons at least, with or without him
That is WAY too much. Paul's agent tanked his trade value. He wants to go to LA. You are buying a one year rental.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:56 am to Machine
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you really think he'd still want to go play for the Lavarball Lakers after playing a season with Jrue, Anthony and DeMarcus?
I still don't see how we could afford to resign Jrue, Boogie AND Paul George. I could be missing something, but this just seems way too unrealistic
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:57 am to Hazelnut
We would be in a mega lux tax mode. I don't see that happening unless this team is winning championships.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:01 am to Fun Bunch
quote:We really do not have anything to offer that will compete with what the Cavs or even Lakers can offer.
I would obviously make a play for PG and take the risk if I'm Dell.
Don't think we can get him, and I definitely don't want to Brooklyn Nets ourselves...
But a team with Paul George, AD, Boogie is going to win a shitload of games.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:11 am to NOSHAU
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We really do not have anything to offer that will compete with what the Cavs or even Lakers can offer.
Don't we though? The Cavs don't have any draft picks and would have to find a third team. The Pacers are rumored to have zero interest in Love.
The Lakers won't give up anything now if they can just clear cap space next summer and sign him outright. Randle and Russell share an agent with PG-13 so they aren't going to in a trade today.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 11:12 am to Hazelnut
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I still don't see how we could afford to resign Jru
I really don't think Jrue is part of the plan anymore if we get PG-13.
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