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Outsider perspective but necessary: Trade Davis now.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:31 am
This is 10Xs the problem Paul was years ago. New Orleans has literally nobody around Davis to make this team semi competitive.
I'm a Magic fan and I grow frustrated watching him spin his wheels.
Now, the Magic do not have the resources and I'm not sure who does, but four #1s would be decent compensation or a combo of them and players.
I think this could play out where in two years, your leverage is reduced and you receive nothing of equal value. Just a bunch of expiring contracts and a middle weight picks.
I'm a Magic fan and I grow frustrated watching him spin his wheels.
Now, the Magic do not have the resources and I'm not sure who does, but four #1s would be decent compensation or a combo of them and players.
I think this could play out where in two years, your leverage is reduced and you receive nothing of equal value. Just a bunch of expiring contracts and a middle weight picks.
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:43 am to DupontsCircle
The problem here is that our entire marketing effort is based around Davis and even it is faltering.
We have one of the top 10 players in the NBA but only about 3% of the city gives a rats arse.
We have one of the top 10 players in the NBA but only about 3% of the city gives a rats arse.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:48 am to saintsfan92612
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We have one of the top 10 players in the NBA
Top 5 in my opinion.
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about 3% of the city gives a rats arse.
I've sat on the floor in NOLA for $100 more than once.
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The problem here is that our entire marketing effort is based around Davis and even it is faltering.
In my opinion, better to cut bait on it. You've sold whatever season tickets you can at this point. Trade him by the end of December and get maximum value.
I like the Pelicans, not my number one team, just wouldn't let the players morale deteriorate to the point of toxicity. Generally, you get four years to build a team around a superstar...this is year what for Davis? Year 4 and NOLA isn't a market for an influx of big names to the city.
You're growing your own team through the draft in NOLA and hope you hit on a few FAs or trades (ala Evan Fournier and Tobias Harris with Magic). It's a slow process.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:48 am to DupontsCircle
Preemptively trading Davis is not going to happen, but if you were, this year would be a good time to do it.
A combination of Philly and Boston do.
Boston gets AD
Philly gets Jaylen Brown and Isaiah Thomas (or whatever trading those can bring back that Philly wants)
NOLA gets Okafor, the Brooklyn 1st from Boston and the worse of the Laker/Philly 1st from Philly.
The Pels get a young core of Buddy/Diallo/Okafor and 3 likely top 5 picks. If you're going to start over that's a pretty good start.
Danny Ainge steals CP3 from Doc in FA and the Celtics become instant contenders with CP3/AD/Horford.
Philly gets more assets to build around Embid and Simmons.
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the Magic do not have the resources and I'm not sure who does
A combination of Philly and Boston do.
Boston gets AD
Philly gets Jaylen Brown and Isaiah Thomas (or whatever trading those can bring back that Philly wants)
NOLA gets Okafor, the Brooklyn 1st from Boston and the worse of the Laker/Philly 1st from Philly.
The Pels get a young core of Buddy/Diallo/Okafor and 3 likely top 5 picks. If you're going to start over that's a pretty good start.
Danny Ainge steals CP3 from Doc in FA and the Celtics become instant contenders with CP3/AD/Horford.
Philly gets more assets to build around Embid and Simmons.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:49 am to DupontsCircle
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Insider perspective but necessary: Fire Demps now.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:53 am to TigerinATL
That sounds too good and logical to work out. The Pelicans will suck the next three seasons even with Davis. I would get ahead of sucking the next 6 by trading away Davis before 3.
Start the build now. Not three seasons from now IMO. Saving your franchise essentially.
Bad bad basketball will not be tolerated in NOLA as it will in Philly by the NBA.
Start the build now. Not three seasons from now IMO. Saving your franchise essentially.
Bad bad basketball will not be tolerated in NOLA as it will in Philly by the NBA.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 11/8/16 at 11:58 am to saintsfan92612
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We have one of the top 10 players in the NBA but only about 3% of the city gives a rats arse.
New Orleans likes a winner.
And a sustained one. At lest before they buy in.
The problem with the Pelicans/Hornets was that second part. Even in our playoff run with CP3 the wind got knocked out of the sails the following year with the injuries. Same with Davis's playoff year. For this team to grow in this city imo, they need to make it to the second round at a minimum and have a 50+ win season the following year and do well in the playoffs that year as well.
Do that and I think this team would see its average attendance climb.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:01 pm to TigerinATL
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Boston gets AD
Philly gets Jaylen Brown and Isaiah Thomas (or whatever trading those can bring back that Philly wants)
NOLA gets Okafor, the Brooklyn 1st from Boston and the worse of the Laker/Philly 1st from Philly.
Absolutely not. If we were getting Brown and Thomas too, then maybe.
I would rather 4 more years of AD than that. Could probably get that in 3 years if we wanted to.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If we were getting Brown and Thomas too, then maybe.
Ainge would surely go all in on a core of CP3/AD/Horford, and they'd need to dump Bradley, Olynyk and Smart too to sign CP3, so there are more assets on the table to work with.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:13 pm to TigerinATL
Okafor wouldn't be the piece I'd want from Philly. They'd have to be open to moving Simmons or Embiid.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:17 pm to TigerinATL
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Ainge would surely go all in on a core of CP3/AD/Horford, and they'd need to dump Bradley, Olynyk and Smart too to sign CP3, so there are more assets on the table to work with.
Take what you can get IMO.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:18 pm to TigerinATL
You give me Jayln Brown, Isiah Thomas, Jalil Okafor, and 3 top 10 draft picks for next year, then sure, i'm open to it. I still don't think that's enough for AD, and not sure why Philly would be part of it.
And i'd be open to it only if we have a new coach and GM as well.
And i'd be open to it only if we have a new coach and GM as well.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
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and 3 top 10 draft picks for next year
It'd actually be 2, the 3rd I mentioned would be the Pels own because they'd be bad enough to ensure a top pick.
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not sure why Philly would be part of it.
I just realized Boston has another pick they can throw in. 2017 is a pick swap but 2018 is Brooklyn's actual pick. So maybe you don't even need Philly. Turn Okafor and the Lakers pick into Jaylen Brown and the 2018 Nets pick.
So the Pels would probably have 2 top 5 picks this season, 2 top 8 or better picks next season, plus Brown and the assets you can get moving Thomas/Bradley/Olynyk/Smart. Unless Ainge didn't think he could swing CP3 in FA (CP3 did reject him once before) he should be fine trading everything and rebuilding depth with ring chasing vets like Miami did.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And i'd be open to it only if we have a new coach and GM as well.
You trying to win or you trying to run a business? Because you aren't winning with what you have.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:38 pm to DupontsCircle
No
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:42 pm to TeddyPadillac
As to trading Davis, with the losses piling up, I see no reason to pull that lever just yet.
At least not til you get a feel for what the top 5 in the draft looks like....where we are likely picking.
It's a long shot but maybe we hit the jackpot one more time and get the #1 pick and things start to look a little bit brighter.
At least not til you get a feel for what the top 5 in the draft looks like....where we are likely picking.
It's a long shot but maybe we hit the jackpot one more time and get the #1 pick and things start to look a little bit brighter.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:53 pm to DupontsCircle
Trading AD is lunacy. Carry on.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:57 pm to DupontsCircle
As much as I understand the logic, you don't contemplate trading AD much less actually doing it until the trade deadline next season, at earliest. I do think, hoping against all hope, that changes need to made in the front office and coaching staff sooner rather than later. Next offseason is your last chance to make moves that help this roster now and keep AD here long term. If it doesn't work out then you move on at the deadline, at soonest.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:57 pm to DupontsCircle
No Hassan Whiteside no care
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:07 pm to TigerinATL
Although highly unlikely, 3 top 5 picks in this draft could do some damage.
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