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Offseason Numbers and Possible Moves
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:09 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:09 am
With the season winding down and a tight race for the 8th seed, I wanted the boards opinion of who we resign and who we go after in free-agency.
The 2014-2015 cap was around $63.1 million. With the projected 2015-2016 cap projected at $66.3 million. that slight bump may help us resign the players mentioned below, however you have to imagine that Ajinca will get a pay bump for his substantial improvement this year.
NOP Free Agents
LINK (norris cole is different because it was a backloaded contract)
Unrestricted
1) Omer Asik - $8,374,646 (actually got 14m, but his contract's rules spread the cap hit evenly throughout the contract)
2) Alexis Ajinca - $808,482
3) Luke Babbit -$684,540
4) Dante Cunningham - $831,942
5) Jimmer Fredette - $948,163
Restricted
1) Norris Cole - $2,038,206 ($3,036,927 qualifying offer)
Trade Possibilities
1) Tyreke Evans
2015-2016 - $10,734,586
2016-2017 - $10,203,755
2) Ryan Anderson
2015-2016 - $8,500,000
Top 5 center free agents 2015-2016 LINK-2
- Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordon, and Al Jefferson
I would like to resign Ajinca and see a trade or something to clear up cap space to make a run at one of the five mentioned above. Or anyone who's not Asik. He doesn't use his strength to score and it pisses me off.
The 2014-2015 cap was around $63.1 million. With the projected 2015-2016 cap projected at $66.3 million. that slight bump may help us resign the players mentioned below, however you have to imagine that Ajinca will get a pay bump for his substantial improvement this year.
NOP Free Agents
LINK (norris cole is different because it was a backloaded contract)
Unrestricted
1) Omer Asik - $8,374,646 (actually got 14m, but his contract's rules spread the cap hit evenly throughout the contract)
2) Alexis Ajinca - $808,482
3) Luke Babbit -$684,540
4) Dante Cunningham - $831,942
5) Jimmer Fredette - $948,163
Restricted
1) Norris Cole - $2,038,206 ($3,036,927 qualifying offer)
Trade Possibilities
1) Tyreke Evans
2015-2016 - $10,734,586
2016-2017 - $10,203,755
2) Ryan Anderson
2015-2016 - $8,500,000
Top 5 center free agents 2015-2016 LINK-2
- Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, DeAndre Jordon, and Al Jefferson
I would like to resign Ajinca and see a trade or something to clear up cap space to make a run at one of the five mentioned above. Or anyone who's not Asik. He doesn't use his strength to score and it pisses me off.
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:07 am to Tiger413
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a trade or something to clear up cap space to make a run at one of the five mentioned above
Ah, it's so simple
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:42 am to Tiger413
This (from TBW) is the team cap sheet going into the summer. Asik's number is a cap hold, but it still matters.
It is almost impossible to have enough cap space to make a max offer to any of the guys you listed and have a functional team leftover. Gasol, Jordan, and Hibbert will all get a max of 30% of the salary cap or something close to it. That's ~$20M of a $67M cap. Lopez and Jefferson won't get that much for various reasons (injury and age) and don't fit what the team needs, which also makes them unattractive options to the Pels.
Let's say Gordon opts out and signs somewhere else and the team renounces Asik, you're only $9M under the cap. Then maybe someone takes Anderson for a late, protected first. Now you've got $17M, still not enough for the top tier guys. Maybe you decline Cole's option. You've reached $20M. You now get to offer a max contract and hope Gasol, Hibbert, or Jordan pick your team, which just gutted itself to make said offer. At least Jordan would be familiar with nonsensical front office maneuvering (What up, Glenn).
So, the final tally for the Pels: you need a starter level 2, a starting 5, a quality backup big, and a backup pg. You also still need more wing help. You have ~$20M to fill those holes. Good luck.
It is almost impossible to have enough cap space to make a max offer to any of the guys you listed and have a functional team leftover. Gasol, Jordan, and Hibbert will all get a max of 30% of the salary cap or something close to it. That's ~$20M of a $67M cap. Lopez and Jefferson won't get that much for various reasons (injury and age) and don't fit what the team needs, which also makes them unattractive options to the Pels.
Let's say Gordon opts out and signs somewhere else and the team renounces Asik, you're only $9M under the cap. Then maybe someone takes Anderson for a late, protected first. Now you've got $17M, still not enough for the top tier guys. Maybe you decline Cole's option. You've reached $20M. You now get to offer a max contract and hope Gasol, Hibbert, or Jordan pick your team, which just gutted itself to make said offer. At least Jordan would be familiar with nonsensical front office maneuvering (What up, Glenn).
So, the final tally for the Pels: you need a starter level 2, a starting 5, a quality backup big, and a backup pg. You also still need more wing help. You have ~$20M to fill those holes. Good luck.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:07 am to corndeaux
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So, the final tally for the Pels: you need a starter level 2, a starting 5, a quality backup big, and a backup pg. You also still need more wing help. You have ~$20M to fill those holes. Good luck.
I don't think you understand, the weak hops and stone hands of the Pels center is the biggest fail point of a team with a top 10 offense and top 7 lowest turnover rate. Something has to be done. Who cares about the fact that when Asik and AD are on the court together our normally bottom 5 defense becomes top 3?
How bad does our bench defense have to be for this stat to be true? Pretty terrible obviously. But there is hope. Since the All Star Break, also known as the time frame when Monty hasn't been able to force Ryan Anderson into a role he's ill suited for due to injury, our team defense has risen dramatically. There are other variables at play of course, less Rivers/Salmons/Babbit, more Pondexter/Cole, but the defense doesn't seem to drop off as much when Asik and AD aren't protecting the paint.
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The Bird Writes @thebirdwrites · Mar 17
Pelicans DRtg Season: 104.8 (25th)
Since Jan 21: 102.7 (19th)
Since All-Star Break: 101.2 (14th)
That looks an awful lot like progress.
Maybe if the bench stopped dragging down our defense, which appears to finally be happening, people would start focusing on what Asik can do for the team rather than what he can't do.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:11 am to corndeaux
I actually like the group we have and it's obviously paying off lately(10-3 since the ASB)
this is assuming we keep everything together and just add an MLE 3.
I also expect ryno to be moved
this is assuming we keep everything together and just add an MLE 3.
I also expect ryno to be moved
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:16 am to LosLobos111
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I actually like the group we have and it's obviously paying off lately(10-3 since the ASB) this is assuming we keep everything together and just add an MLE 3. I also expect ryno to be moved
This which does hurt bc Ryno is a great dude and good teammate but just doesn't fit with AD.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:41 am to STEVED00
He did prior. He just fell into a deep slump. And when he's not shooting well, that's when he shouldn't be playing late in games. He's still a good player for us to help stretch the floor. But Monty needs to take him out when the shots aren't falling, especially since he's not good defensively. I still believe he'd help the team a lot having a legit scoring option off the bench.ahbe he comes back and his shots are falling, hopefully.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:46 am to TigerinATL
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Monty hasn't been able to force Ryan Anderson into a role he's ill suited for
So, we stop bitching about Monty's reliance on traditional lineups long enough to bitch about Monty's use of a non-traditional lineup? Seems legit.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:05 am to corndeaux
Unless AD moves to SF (which won't happen) the number are not in our favor. We need Micky Loomis to come over to the Pelicans to get someone to take a major paycut 
I just want to see an improvement in our physicality. The reason I dislike Asik is because he is so strong and he rarely uses it. Why does he consistently try fitness moves in the post like he is a guard. Ajinca is more of a fitness center with a good shot and decent shot blocking. However, he still does not give us any option for a bruiser type guy.
To perfectly complement Anthony Davis we need someone to fight like like a bat out of hell in the post. Someone to make the other bigs exhausted and someone who isn't afraid of getting in foul trouble to protect the rim. I really just want to see a mean SOB around the rim.
I just want to see an improvement in our physicality. The reason I dislike Asik is because he is so strong and he rarely uses it. Why does he consistently try fitness moves in the post like he is a guard. Ajinca is more of a fitness center with a good shot and decent shot blocking. However, he still does not give us any option for a bruiser type guy.
To perfectly complement Anthony Davis we need someone to fight like like a bat out of hell in the post. Someone to make the other bigs exhausted and someone who isn't afraid of getting in foul trouble to protect the rim. I really just want to see a mean SOB around the rim.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:10 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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So, we stop bitching about Monty's reliance on traditional lineups long enough to bitch about Monty's use of a non-traditional lineup? Seems legit.
Where have you been? Ryno's defensive deficiencies becoming glaringly obvious thanks to his offensive slump happened a few months back. I've seen posts here of tweets from national writers saying he's got the worst hokie bullshite (defensive metrics) of any PF in the league.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:20 am to corndeaux
The Gordon number makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
Re-sign Asik, MLE 3-D, and re-sign Frenchy. I think he'll get a raise, but I'd be surprised if someone pays him more than 2.5 or 3 per.
New coach. (Fingers crossed)
Move either Gordon or Ryno at the deadline.
Re-sign Asik, MLE 3-D, and re-sign Frenchy. I think he'll get a raise, but I'd be surprised if someone pays him more than 2.5 or 3 per.
New coach. (Fingers crossed)
Move either Gordon or Ryno at the deadline.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:23 am to TigerinATL
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Where have you been? Ryno's defensive deficiencies becoming glaringly obvious thanks to his offensive slump happened a few months back. I've seen posts here of tweets from national writers saying he's got the worst hokie bullshite (defensive metrics) of any PF in the league.
It's nothing new. I just think people should stay consistent in their point of attack on Monty. Monty wasn't trying to fit Anderson into some role that is unheard of. Anderson isn't going to excel defensively in any role. That isn't a new phenomenon this year. He was terrible on defense in Orlando, which is why they were willing to part with him for Gus.
The problem is that the rest of the roster was so shitty for so long, that he had to play an outsized role by default.
People also talked about how Asik seemed to be playing through a nagging back injury, which seemed to be the case. The options were Anderson or Ajinca. This was before the light went off for Ajinca, who still has defensive lapses, too.
Monty was playing the hand that was dealt and has a depleted roster (a roster which was unbalanced to begin with) in position to make a run to the playoffs. I'm just not sure how this thread turns into, "yeah, but Monty was misusing Anderson." Our defensive limitations can be traced back to $19.8M tied into 2 terrible defenders.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:37 am to Solo
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The Gordon number makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
For a long time I was a Gordon hater, but this season he's been solid. Granted, he's probably more of a ~10mil guy than a 15, but it's a marked improvement. He's second in the league in 3 pt percentage and attempting 5 per game.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:58 am to Solo
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MLE 3-D
No problem. We'll just go to the MLE 3&D Tree and pick one.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:01 am to Epic Cajun
There are two schools of thought about trading Grodon
Don't trade him because we stuck with him through the bad year and he's coming out of it in beautiful fashion. Being able to spread the floor is something the pelicans have needed. It opens up the middle for AD and Tyreke. Now defenses are forced to guard the perimeter.
Trade him because his trade value is arguably better then it ever has been with the pelicans. With a year left on his contract, teams aren't as weary of taking him because they can resign him the next year to a contract that suits them. Not to mention he is on a shooting rampage.
His 30 for 30 would be 'The New Orleans sniper' if he keeps this up.
Don't trade him because we stuck with him through the bad year and he's coming out of it in beautiful fashion. Being able to spread the floor is something the pelicans have needed. It opens up the middle for AD and Tyreke. Now defenses are forced to guard the perimeter.
Trade him because his trade value is arguably better then it ever has been with the pelicans. With a year left on his contract, teams aren't as weary of taking him because they can resign him the next year to a contract that suits them. Not to mention he is on a shooting rampage.
His 30 for 30 would be 'The New Orleans sniper' if he keeps this up.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:02 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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He was terrible on defense in Orlando, which is why they were willing to part with him for Gus.
I don't know about that being the reason. They were blowing it all up and were looking to clear the decks. Anderson turned into Ayon, who was part of the deal to get Tobias Harris. Not a bad play for a rebuilding Orlando.
Davis and Anderson work well together. The defense is bad, but the offense is scorching (even with an Anderson slump) and the net result is still good (2nd highest total +/-, +5.3 Net efficiency rating).
Part of the Anderson problem was the lack of depth. The second units Monty would play (not entirely his fault) were just awful. Anderson had to be the "creator" and engine of the offense from the post.
That is a recipe for disaster. Part of it is also the 2nd half woes of the entire team. It's crazy how much worse the defense was in the 2nd half compared to the 1st. Pre ASB, Asik/Davis was a 94 Drating in the 1st half, 107.5 in the 2nd. Anderson/Davis a 102.5 to a 110.5. The team has cleaned this up post ASB. Is some of it because Anderson isn't playing? Sure. But, to me, it's a big leap to conclude it's all because Anderson isn't playing.
But I do think asking Anderson to be the 5 on defense is silly. We all know he can't protect the rim and he isn't a good defensive rebounder. Putting him in those spots in tense game situations is foolish to me. It doesn't happen as often as I think it does, but it drives me nuts when Monty plays Anderson from late 3rd through the end of the game.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:03 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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So, we stop bitching about Monty's reliance on traditional lineups long enough to bitch about Monty's use of a non-traditional lineup? Seems legit.
When has their been bitching about Monty's reliance on traditional lineup? What's traditional about terrible rotations and playing a 6'8" center when you have Asik playing one of his best games ever on the bench.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:12 am to corndeaux
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The defense is bad
That's why we need to go after someone who can defend the rim.
I think Anderson fits well as a 6th man. He provides us with a good options and rotations. He will take a pay cut next contract because he has been fighting injuries and when he's not he's been in a slump. Either that or he goes somewhere else that is dumb enough to give him a bigger deal
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:13 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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I just think people should stay consistent in their point of attack on Monty.
I'm not attacking Monty, I'm complaining about a tactic that has proven unsuccessful defensively this year that I'm afraid he'll return to when Anderson comes back even after getting the opportunity of seeing another option that he should try instead of riding a 1-7 Ryan Anderson down in flames for the night.
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Monty wasn't trying to fit Anderson into some role that is unheard of. Anderson isn't going to excel defensively in any role.
Yeah, but his offense which normally makes up for that has been MIA much of the time this season. The poor shooting makes a 20 MPG Anderson better for the team than a 30 MPG Anderson yet Monty has gone with the 30 MPG flavor when he's got Asik and Ajinca on the bench ready to help.
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Our defensive limitations can be traced back to $19.8M tied into 2 terrible defenders.
So your hate for Tyreke trumps my ability to question non Tyreke rotation decisions? You don't own me
And Anderson/Evans being offensively skewed is a problem that is lessened by a healthy Jrue. I actually am fine seeing where this core goes with continuity and the addition of an MLE 3 and D SF to upgrade Cunningham. This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:17 am to Galactic Inquisitor
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No problem. We'll just go to the MLE 3&D Tree and pick one.
I laughed. Point taken.
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