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re: Offseason Dell Demps Job Watch - Day 28ish - And now my watch is ended
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:54 pm to tigerbait44
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:54 pm to tigerbait44
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like clockwork....... Dell gone tomorrow?
IF it does happen like that, after my initial joy, I'm going to laugh at how much of a redheaded step child this team is.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:05 pm to TigerinATL
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we are basically working without a POBO. Some teams do that
Exactly. POBO isn't a gaping hole on this team b/c they need someone to have that title. The problem is a leadership one, not a title one. They can hire people and make up titles.
The question becomes, like I posed earlier, do we really think they will hire another exec to fulfill that role?
Maybe, they fire Demps and bring in a new voice. But I don't know why anyone thinks this group would (not should) bring in another exec to be above Demps and below Loomis. If they won't go after a bench coach or assistant GM to fill their staffs, why in the world are they getting another guy to manage their GM and report to Loomis?
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My first thought is how can he be meddlesome if we agree he's not really acting as a POBO
Ownership can be the most meddlesome factor via unrealistic expectations, insufficient support, hiring the wrong guys, not holding people accountable, etc. James Dolan isn't POBO, but he's incompetent and has crippled his team for years. Again POBO is just a title. My main point:
Hiring a guy to take on that title won't really change much if ownership doesn't support that hire in a way that we haven't seen yet.
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why I think Dumars is our best chance to change direction
I agree with this. They might be more inclined to listen to Dumars. OF course, what will Dumars be telling them in UFA?
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An empty SKC isn't good for the Pels and some of Benson's other business interests
No doubt he's losing money annually on the Pels. Question is, if he was ready to force it to build a winner three years ago, why will he be patient now?
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:43 pm to corndeaux
Patience may not be what is needed as much as realizing the current plan of acceleration has failed. What made them finally decide to fire Repriesh and hire Ireland? I don't know. But I do know this line of speculation about Demps began when Kushner was lead to believe Demps would have his normal year end presser, which he still hasn't had or even scheduled.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 6:09 pm to corndeaux
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agree. The problem is, even if you believe Benson/Loomis would hire a Ferry or Schlenk, will they give him the support (financial and otherwise) to build that type of culture? Because it won't work without ownership buying in and providing muscle behind the philosophy.
And I have serious doubts. Nothing they have done with the Saints or the Pels screams forward thinking. They seem to be a very insular group. With Benson's health an issue, Loomis is looking at being a de facto owner for quite a while. Who's got the stick and the willingness to demote him?
I will say, and someone can correct me where I am wrong, but I distinctly remember reading at least a couple articles about Payton and Loomis being some of the first major tinkerers with the still in its infancy NFL analytics. I have always held that in the back of my mind as a silver lining that maybe we will get it right in some capacity eventually because Loomis does seem to at least be the type of mind that puts value in some of that sort of cutting edge stuff. And to his credit, unlike a lot of other GM's that dig in, he admitted errors and re-staffed his scouting department.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 7:38 pm to TigerinATL
That wasn't directly intended for you. I just happened to click your replay. More towards Fun Bunch and the rest of the crew.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 7:40 pm to tigerbait44
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like clockwork....... Dell gone tomorrow?
Two more rookies left to sign and rookie camps starts up on Friday. Loomis still working the phones on rookie deals. Probably going to be a little longer.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 7:55 pm to corndeaux
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No doubt he's losing money annually on the Pels.
I highly doubt it.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 8:12 pm to tzimme4
Have they signed Reed yet?
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 8:33 pm to dj30
Team valuation and team revenue are vastly different concepts
Posted on 5/9/16 at 8:57 pm to corndeaux
Obviously, with revenue sharing, its very unlikely the Pelicans are losing money.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 6:10 am to dj30
Possibly.
I've never seen a breakdown of how robust revenue sharing actually is. Absurd tax teams like Brooklyn help, but most teams avoid that.
Revenue comes from home games and local TV contracts (:gulp:). Now with this massive national contract, they should not be losing money. But Lowe had some interesting bits here about that, in particular the escrow fund
LINK
I've never seen a breakdown of how robust revenue sharing actually is. Absurd tax teams like Brooklyn help, but most teams avoid that.
Revenue comes from home games and local TV contracts (:gulp:). Now with this massive national contract, they should not be losing money. But Lowe had some interesting bits here about that, in particular the escrow fund
LINK
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:49 am to corndeaux
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Justin Verrier ?@JustinVerrier Nothing official from Pels yet, but I'm hearing GM Dell Demps and FO members expected to attend this week's draft combine in Chicago.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:15 am to Fun Bunch
i think its fair to say they'll both be fired... next year.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:49 am to Chad504boy
frick these frickers. They can all frick off.
frick Dell Demps.
frick Mickey Loomis.
frick Tom Benson.
frick 'em all.
frick Dell Demps.
frick Mickey Loomis.
frick Tom Benson.
frick 'em all.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:09 pm to Jester
To be fair, they are "expected" to be attending.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:17 pm to Fun Bunch
The curious piece to the puzzle is still the end of year presser. Him not having it really shouldn't be a sign that he's in trouble either, I just don't understand why it didn't happen. It's usually not very illuminating, but maybe he drops a nugget like Gentry did about prioritizing a play making SF. Demps really couldn't carve an hour out of his schedule in the last month?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 12:24 pm to TigerinATL
Yeah it's just odd. Also no Pelicans PR tweets about Dell doing work at the combine or anything like that. Maybe they are waiting until the lottery, but that seems silly.
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